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Yet Another PennyStocking/TIMalerts Success Story: Adam N. Banks Another $2,000

Posted by Timothy Sykes on Sun 16th of Nov, 2008 01:56:31 PM

You guys remember PennyStocking success story Adam N., right?

After all, he did write one of the best guest posts ever.

Now, he’s back with another superb guest post, get ready, it’s a longie but a goodie:

My short on CVI is my second best Timalert trade to date, netting me just over $2100 in profits, or a 25% total return. This stock was posted on Nov 4th in the morning TIMalert watch list. Later that morning, I saw Tim’s
first alert hit my inbox, but decided to stay on the sidelines because it
was a morning gap and crap, and I didn’t want to chase it fearing a late
afternoon short squeeze. Sure enough, shortly after Tim shorted it, the
stock started rebounding, Tim quickly covered, and the stock continued its
climb back upwards.

It wasn’t until the second alert, later that afternoon, that I decided to
jump in and short CVI for 1000 shares at $4.83. The setup for this alert
appeared to be more of an ideal Tim-trade, i.e. it was the first day the
stock failed to make new gains after running from $2 to over $5 AND it was
starting to fade late into the afternoon. At this point I was feeling
pretty damn good about my decision to play this one, the stock was heading
lower and I was up about $100 in roughly 10 min… life was good… that is
until the stock decided to spike up into the final hour and Tim sent out an
alert stating that he had covered. At that point I made the decision to
stay in the trade and to not cover like the rest of the drones who typically
cover as soon as Tim does, causing a temporary spike in stock price.

My reasons for staying in the trade after Tim covered was because I knew
that Tim’s initial reason for shorting the stock fit the general profile of
his pennystocking methods, and that the price of oil had been getting killed
over the past few months. I also knew that Tim is a terrible timer and has
the patience of a three-year-old strung out on red bull when it comes to
holding a stock (no offense Tim), so I try to trust my own instinct and
tolerance when it comes to getting out of a trade.

The biggest mistake I made on this trade, however, was not doing my own due
diligence before entering into this trade. After the market had closed, I
discovered that CVI was reporting their quarterly earnings that very next
morning. In hindsight, had I known this, I would have waited to trade this
stock until after the earnings had been reported. You can imagine my
dismay the very next morning when CVI reported exceptional EPS over the
previous year and the stock gapped up nearly 20%. But why, you may ask, did
I not cut my losses immediately when the market opened? Well, here are a few
reasons to my madness:

1) I never trade a stock during the first 5-10 min of the
market open, even if I’m already at a loss. This is typically the most
volatile time in trading for any stock and is almost never an indication of
the direction the stock is heading for the day.

2) In spite of a good earnings report, CVI was already up
nearly 175% which was mostly likely due to the anticipation of their
earnings report. But hell, of course their earnings were good, oil was
upwards of $150 during their previous quarter, they better damn well have
made some money.

3) Stock prices don’t reflect prior earnings, they are forward
looking prices, and looking at the current trend in oil and the fact that
this company is losing its major supplier at the end of the year and hasn’t
yet found a replacement, who in their right mind would buy into such a crap
company..?

4) Bitter long-term share holders pumping the crap out of this
stock on yahoo, google, and the lion message boards to would-be ignorant
stock yuppies who would believe that this company is going places based
solely on some internet alias’ pumped up post. Look at the long term chart
on this one, it’s been dropping ever since the price of oil peaked back in
June and any time this stock has spiked up since then it has been followed
by many BIG red candles.

So with that in mind, I begrudgingly held my position, remembering my
reasons for shorting, and watched the price action confirm my reasoning.
The stock dropped below my initial entry two hours after the market opened.
From that point on I felt I was golden, and I even added to my short
position once that morning, 400 shares @ $5.17, and then more the following
day on a mini spike, another 400 shares @ $4.62. My average cost was then
at $4.86 and I rode the stock down for four days straight until I finally
covered 1000 @ $3.80 and the remaining 800 @ $3.50. This stock most likely
has further downside, but I have already taken my pound of flesh out of it
and decided not to press my luck any further. Hopefully all that read this
will learn from my one big mistake, but realize there is more money to be
made out of Tim’s picks beyond what he may play them at. Please, do NOT
be a drone, learn to think and trade for yourselves, you just may end up being
a better trader than Tim when it comes to his own picks.

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  • alex
    lol...Tim would have to be humble and quiet for awhile and just hand over his data ... let someone else analyze it
  • younggunz
    I would think that if he'd hire a consultant he'd end up spending most the time defending and explaining his pennystocking strategy to the "professional".
  • alex
    I'm not in NYC so I don't personally know any traders there. But this guy does consulting services to help traders improve their strategies:
    http://boyoder.com/

    I read his book and it was pretty illuminating ... it's unlike most trading books I've read.
  • everyone has different styles, i cut my gains/losses quickly..i do encourage people to try whatever works for them...the fact remains that no matter how much losses someone has on some of these pure plays, the longer you hold the better
  • vegas
    I don't see why this was a good trade. He did not do his own DD. He got greedy. He did not cut losses quick. It was pure luck that he made it out alive with profit. Try that again sometime soon please.

    Tim, you seem to be encouraging people to gamble. But whatever sells your products, who cares.
  • me
    Broke your own rule:3. Worst trade?

    My worst trade was COIN. Again I jumped in short on a Timalert, and the following day I was up like $500. Rather than covering and taking my gains, I was too greedy and held onto it another day only to see it spike back up. Rather than covering at that point and taking what would have been a small loss, I foolishly added to my position, fully expecting the trade to go my way. Finally the stock humbled me and I covered for a hard-to-swallow $1,900 loss. It was a good lesson for me though, and I have since taken losses much quicker now so that I never get myself in a situation like that again.
  • Me
    Sorry Adam,

    Big Gamble if you ask me. Tims trade was much better. Tim would never hold a losing trade with earnings coming out the next morning. CVI is a pennystock that could have broken 5 and made a 40% gain. Pure Gamble. Much more Risk than reward. Good job Tim cutting your loss. Oh and for Alex your a dumbass. Why would anybody who is up 170% need a trading coach. Like I said Tim keep up the good work.
  • no, i insult people who deserve to be insulted...some people need to be put in their place in order to learn cold hard lessons. i wish someone was like that with me when i first started, it makes people better traders....and the proof is in how my students are doing
  • yah def, if u know of anybody, i'll def sit down with them, i just have very little time, as do most trading coaches these days
  • alex
    I thought maybe he was giving up the egotistical trading game to become an altruistic entepreneur. Could be wrong, though. I think it would be good for his business and good for "the newbies" to learn how a professional would avise him to improve the strategy. Lazy traders just keep doing whatever gets them by, astute ones will do self-critiques and look hard for ways to do even better.
  • alex I think you are missing the point. Tim will never talk about his short comings let alone make a post about how he is learning to overcome his difficulties. His website is based on getting newbie traders excited enough to buy his products... then insult them if they somehow fail to follow his trading strategy, even if he does...

    His business model is based upon newbie stupidity, but you think it is based on perfection of strategy.

    Tim is not interested in that.
  • alex
    The money isn't the point. I think it would make for a great lesson for all if you sat down with a professional trading coach (I'm sure there are some traders on Wall St who specialize in this). It might not even necessarily be a trader...it's more of a mathamatical thing...tweak the variables on each historical trade...see what coulda been. You're totally just winging it, being entirely discretionary with entries and exits, which is cool, but my hunch is that you would do better by being a little more mechanical and holding longer, taking a few more losses, but banking a whole lot more on the winners. Why not do it? - it would make for a really nice post. And maybe you could even film the consultation and make a DVD out of it --Ca-ching! (better send me a copy though for coming up with the idea :)
  • nojobmaui
    One of the great things about this post was pointing out tis "My reasons for staying in the trade after Tim covered was because I knew
    that Tim’s initial reason for shorting the stock fit the general profile of
    his PennyStocking methods" thats gold!!!
  • alex, my trading is pretty irrelevent to subscribers, i already know i have a ton of problems, but still better than most...will gradually overcome them
  • CashMoney
    alex.......tim makes massive bank from this website. he doesnt need a coach
  • alex
    Tim, with all due respect, I think you should sit down with a trading coach and analyze your trades and see how your performance could've been improved. With a little tweaking I'm sure you could make more. Obviously, you know what stocks to short, but your timing could be better. Your strategy is 100% discresionary, but could maybe benefit from bein a little more mechanical.

    It would make for a FANTASTIC post if you detailed "Tim sits down for a day to get advices by ____ (insert superstar trading coach here)" ... seiously, that would be awesome.
  • alex
    Oftentimes in educational environments the dominant paradigm of teacher/student is shattere as the roles get reversed. Even the smartest professors can learn from their students...often the professor lays the groundwork but the students expand on it and make it better or bring new ideas to light. I think TimSykes.com is no exception...some of his "students' are putting on better trades that he is. Is Tim learning that he could be doing better by being more patient and entering his trades later and exiting later? IMO Tim is too risk-averse in his trading...he's got the mindet of a scalper (get in & out quick with high win probablity), but trades with the frequency of a swing trader (2 or 3 trades a week). If you're gonna be a scalper, scalp it up as many times a day as possible. If you're gonna be a swing trader, be patient and hold the position 2-3 days.
  • JS
    That's a great post.
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