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Sometimes All The Market Negativity Is Deserved

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With all this talk of people being “overly negative”, I can’t help but chime in….just as I did back in October last year when I correctly said there was no bottom yet because there was no capitulation.

Now we’re right back to November lows and there’s a lot of really smart people who say buy right now mainly because everyone else is sooo negative…you know the old contrarian investing way to profiting, which has had success over the years.

No, I’m not gonna play the far too popular macro/market guessing games—I think we go lower, but that’s only because basic technical analysis says so—all I want to do is state the obvious: sometimes absolute negativity is deserved.

For example, God forbid a friggin nuke ever goes off in NYC, it’s fair to assume 100% of the people will say “you know what, we know this area is gonna be radioactive for many centuries, maybe it’s not the best place to open a little shop in SoHo”.

And that’s the question now—has a financial nuke gone off with all our leverage, debt, speculation finally finally finally catching up to us after years of this very bad habit? Or maybe it’s just a blip and once we right ourselves by saving more $, speculating and being in debt less, we’ll be fine and this is the bottom?

I don’t know, all I know is that I don’t like trading when there is possible disaster afoot. GM, GE, BAC, STI—any of these companies with ridiculously tough to value securities that are leveraged more than anyone really understands—can come out at any time with truly disastrous news…and the market will crash….and of course consumers/retail probly to die waaaaaaaaaay more before the pain is over.

And of course we’ve got the people’s representative signing away trillions of taxpayer money and oney that hasn’t been printed yet without even reading the damn bill first!

All leads me to believe disaster is still possible and when I say those words, I’m talking Dow down 10%+ in one day….maybe even 1,000 points just to shake out the last few believers. Ask yourself what are the odds of a big 10% jump higher? Exactly, odds favor downside vs. upside.

Then again, stock market bottoms happen many months before the end of a recession/depression so this may very well be the bottom and all the worrying about some corporate goliath disaster may just be over-protective mom-type worrying.

So, me I don’t know, I put up posts like this to open the possibility that this time is different, that the US won’t rebound anytime soon because business/finance is radioactive. I’m not betting on further market destruction, I stick to betting against individual hype plays like ARNA, much more predictable.

Posted in Guessing Games, Patience

  • sonid

    Tim , how fast can you get your dvd to me. I’m gona bite the bullet and buy it. Need to start making some money and learning more. look forward to the six hours of info. Thanks man.

  • timsykes

    We ship the DVD out right away so if you order anytime this weekend, it’ll ship Tuesday and then its just a matter of your location. International orders take longer

  • sonid

    thanks Tim, I appreciate your quick response. I live in GA playing right now, I had emailed you after I finished your book. Just ordered the DVD. Hope it will be there when we get back from our road trip. Game tonight in Trenton. take care

  • sonid

    one other thing, I was wondering do you usually only play one stock at a time? I know diversification can be a joke in the small cap world just wanted you take on it.

  • timsykes

    ypu, just one or two stocks at a time, i like to watch every trade so any more and i get confused. buuuuut when an entire sector starts displaying the prpoer patterns, i sometimes play 3-4

  • sonid

    sorry to bug you again but thought you might know the answer to this….how the hell does something like what happened to cigi.pk happen?

  • timsykes

    M-A-N-I-P-U-L-A-T-I-O-N

  • http://www.islandtimegrill.com Evan

    Tim,

    I know you said the chart looked horrific, but what happened to CIGI is what could happen to AEND- and that’s an actual growing company that’s never filed for bankruptcy, and a financial group just finished aquiring 2.5 million shares (news hasn’t shown up yet on regular sites like Yahoo and google, but you can see it on paid sites like TDameritrade- maybe TOS too). I know its a gamble-type trade, but it can only go to zero- the potential for another spike to $1 is why I’m in at this level.

  • timsykes

    anything COULD happen, i make my money by playing probable outcomes, not by guessing. guessing and hoping is what most penny stock/investors do and why they fail to beat the indexes every year

  • James W

    As far as the shipping speed of the DVD goes, my copy was shipped from Connecticut with 2-day air shipping. At the time of the order I was just told how much shipping costs were and was not given a choice for what type of service I wanted. I completed the order on Tuesday night (10:30PM EST) and it was delivered on Thursday. I live in Massachusetts so it was a very short trip, but I am very happy with the quick delivery! It was packed quite well too so nothing to worry about there.

  • Td

    Timmay-yo da man! thanks for answers-keep up the good fight-i would let my daughter watch WSW but there is too much swearing for her age-but i want her to develop financial savvy, unlike my parents had no interest installing in me-but i think it is important for kids to at least have a vague understanding of the world financial system-your views are refreshing and bluntly honest-thanks for the transparency

  • Joe

    What is this “tip this” button i see? You want me to tip you for the great advice?

  • Jeff

    Hey Tim,

    you only got an average of 2k visitors per day not 3k:

    http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s36sykes777

  • timsykes

    yeah the tip button is just one of many cool new features here. the standard tip is 10 cents if u see anything u like

    and the 3k is the recent average daily visitors. also i think google analytics is more accurate than sitemeter

  • Jarrod

    Tim,
    I know you are a golfer as I saw you attempt to play in an episode on wall street warriors. What about having a section on your blog like the golf channel has dedicated to the person who won that week on tour called what is in the bag? Here are some of the things I would like to know what is in your trading bag on a regular basis:
    Computer
    Brokerage firm “I know your use thinkorswimn, but just in case you change
    Where do you get your level II quotes from?
    Do you have the TV on throughout the day on a financial channel if so bloomberg or cnbc?
    do you feel any financial show is a must see on a daily basis
    Any cool trading software used
    the latest book you are reading other than yours, which i own by the way and it is a great read

    What a great blog even if you do not add this little part. I make it a regular part of my day to find out what you have to say and have done for the day. Keep up the great work.

  • timsykes

    I like the idea, but I keep everything to a bare minimum. Never watch Bloomberg/CNBC cuz its all irrelevant to my stocks. Don’t follow breaking news because i prefer to react to the patterns that form due to people’s reactions to the news, so it’s very far removed, not as stressful/higher percentages. finance show, there is none, i like wallstirp for entertainment, thats about it. vast majority of people in finance are too boring to interest me. no cool software, just etrade pro and thinkorswim. see my library page for all my books, book reviews will start to be posted on this blog once i have some more time…

  • puma

    we always ask for alot from you tim, have you ever considered opwning a chat room type feature for when youre active on the blog, i can tell by the amount of comments you get for tips, advice, questions etc how important valueable your knowledge and expierence is

  • timsykes

    chat room carries too much liability, sorry!

  • http://www.islandtimegrill.com Evan

    I’m suing you for that comment! kidding:)

  • Randy

    I don’t know if I’ll ever add money to a mutual fund with heavy stock market index exposure again. Maybe in a bull market and a large position.

  • YoungGunz

    yeah its a losing game trying to chase hot mutual funds. Kenneth Hebner’s hasn’t been so bad but even his has been getting beat up. If you’re going to go for a mutual fund you have to go by who’s been managing it. Even then the odds are against them to beat the market. ETFs have started to prove themselves more and more as being the way to do with long term investing.

  • YoungGunz

    Oh one more thing, Tim? Pallian? Can you ditch that banner at the top of the page? You guys really starving to get more ad revenue that you need to increase ad space?

  • http://test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    cant change ad specs, we hired a new company that deals with ads specifically, we’re seeing how it works out

  • Dabia

    Chit stock for short-term gain on long side. Jones Soda (JSDA)… Look at the chart, if you know how to read one

  • HopeSolo

    Tim, I really enjoyed reading this and I agree with you 100%. One of your better opinion pieces, good stuff, you should get AOL/blogging stocks to through this up, haha like they’ll oblige to that.

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