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Q&A With Timothy Sykes: Righting Some Wrongs

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1. I love answering questions, any and all questions, but if you guys have questions about stuff like my strategy, my book An American Hedge Fund, my instructional DVD PennyStocking, basically anything whatsoever, please, please please post your questions in the FORUMS. Right now, I’m about a week and a half behind on emails and I get too many asking the same damn questions! (want more real-time updates, follow me on Twittermy book is only sold online…no, I’m not gonna give you free copies just cuz you’re poor…yes, I am available to speak (that you can email me about)…no, I haven’t lost everything, I’m down 30% or 35% off my highs…yes, you can short stocks under $5, read the past 400 blog posts or so!) Forums make it much easier and I like getting all the info out there for everyone to see and debate. So keep ‘em comin’, gratzie.

2. As of April 1, 2008, Covestor shows me up 150% during the five months since TIM inception in November 2007. This is inaccurate. I’m really up 40% since then. Not too shabby, but I get too many emails about this. Covestor is a great great platform that the industry needs, but they only track people’s trades and investments, not their cash positions. Since I only trade 1-2 stocks at a time, leaving the rest in cash—as compared to the popular diversification route/scam involving dozens of positions and very little, if any, cash—my Covestor returns represent what would happen if I used 50-100% of my portfolio each time, instead of the actual 20-40%.

Considering how small dollar-wise my positions currently are and how much better my returns would be if I did go all in—maybe I should??! Nooooooooooooooo—that would be setting a bad example to all the newbies and kids out there. I’m trying to preach conservative (somewhat) short selling/ penny stock trading!

So, please recognize the difference, understand how awesome my strategy is, how not-so-great I am at taking full advantage of it and that my publishing business model is based on brutal honesty. I’m never gonna cheat at ANYTHING because even if it did get me ahead, a.) it’d be wrong and b.) I’d be risking my entire biz model! Get used to me making plenty of mistakes…they make make me just happy because not only can I write about them to help others avoid them later, contrary to the joke that is financial wisdom propagated by generations of snake oil salesman, frauds, liars, marketers and untalented and unintelligent bastards, mistakes are nothing to be ashamed of, the problem is not learning from them!

3. Do not ask me questions about stocks in the comments section of my blog posts—you may have noticed this site’s popularity is on the rise, there’s no way I can keep up with them all, so instead post your questions about chart patterns, stocks, investments, ideas, whatever, in the FORUMS

Am I getting through to you yet?

Post them in the FORUMS, post them in the FORUMS, in the FORUMS, in the FORUMS

How about now?

4. Why am I so obsessively branding ‘TIM’, am I some kind of narcissist?

No, I’m not a narcissist, just a guy who knows he’s gonna succeed because in an industry full of BSers, my claim to fame is being able to the whole truth and nothing but. Tough truths like despite all the news spouted out by the WWF-like financial media circus each day,opportunities for high probability trading profits are rare. Or long-term price targets on momentum plays are akin to guessing the temperature years from today.

Truths like all CEOs are full of BS, in fact they’re professional BSers, that’s how they’ve gotten to the top! And even the toughest—I don’t now what’s gonna happen with xyz stock, most price action is pretty random, there are too many unpredictable variables, better off going to the beach and returning when the variables are predictable.

Remember, besides Transparent Investment Management, TIM also stands for Trust In Me. And that’s exactly what you’re gonna do—in time—because, for better or worse, I’m gonna call it like I see it. Always. And while I’m no industry bigwig, I’ve got a decade of experience under my belt and for all the taxes, my mistakes and going it on my own without any mentors or corporate experience whatsoever, I’ve still got 60x the money I had just a few years ago. Think about how you’d feel if you made 60x your current account within a decade, pretty damn happy, right?

My strategy will never make me or you more than a few million bucks, but you know what, I make money trading—whether it’s a few thousand, tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars per year and I can help make you money trading too. In an industry where 90% of traders fail and NOT ONE OTHER “guru”, “market expert”, “talking head” PUBLICLY DISCLOSES ALL their trades and investments, their ENTIRE track record or is willing to publicly answer ANY question EVERY day.

So, you see, I have a lot to be proud of. It’s not ego, it’s confidence. Confidence in purpose. Confidence in the future.

Posted in Interviews, Q&A, Rants

  • http://www.amex-black.com Brandon

    Do you have a black card Tim?

  • Tony Ellis

    NCEN nice close

  • timsykes

    serves me right for writing this article near the close and missing NCEN–where was the heads up TE!

  • http://www.goodevalue.com Michael Goode

    Hey Tim, what’s your thought on DSTI? Oh, and why does Covestor show you as being up 150%?

    But seriously, the real question is DO YOU EVER NOT SMIRK?!

  • Zykosis

    lol…did you not just read the blog post above?

  • Tony Ellis

    You should read your comments. Posted this mourning when it broke 3.37

  • http://www.goodevalue.com Michael Goode

    @Zykosis — I was trying to be funny. I guess I should stick to bashing stocks. Yeah, of course I read the article.

  • Tony Ellis

    morning…sorry can’t spell

    Michael I’m long DSTI.

  • timsykes

    nah i saw NCEN this morning but the key time to buy was when it broke out past $2.60…ah well another lesson learned for me, enjoy the gap up past 3

  • Tony Ellis

    Solars still going ah. CSUN 9, SOLF 15.

  • Mike

    If anyone else is around in New York, tonight at 7:00 I’m finally going to Bouchon bakery.

  • Ad

    I TRUST IN YOU – especially with that smirk on your face.

  • Tony Ellis

    CSIQ chart looks nice around $24. What do you think?

  • http://investorslive.com InvestorsLive.com

    NCEN beautiful chart!

    They have snuck funds in slowly on that one I wonder if they are doing a mailer or just a straight up good story. On the boards they are talking about going to Nasdaq. At any rate definitely somethinggoing on and makes it’s moves when you least expect it!

    DSTI looks great on chart – another day or two followed by a decent pop and we’ll be penny stalking it.

  • Brendan Long

    Good evening Mr. Sykes,
    Regarding your methods with which I’m interested in…
    Can you apply your method to a company I bot today – CHS?
    Just wondering what your analysis says.
    Thanks guy

  • Jibri

    What are your thoughts on the great Visa setting a record IPO?
    Anyone in for the long haul?

  • AP

    CBTE is looking like it might be worth a short.

  • http://www.investorslive.com InvestorsLive.com

    Brendan -

    Is this your first time to the site? The stock doesn’t represent anything that he’s preached …

  • http://www.investorslive.com InvestorsLive.com

    AP – I like that one maybe over $3.50-4′s … for the short, very low volume though

  • Randy

    Just put the questions that everyone asks in the FAQ and display the link prominently on the front page. Seems simple enough to me.

  • Mike

    Tim, a fund manager writing on another blog called you a genius

    “Tim Sykes happens to be a close friend. He is badly misunderstood but I don’t expect the state school authors here to understand him or his genius. (He is a little self-promiting sometimes, but you just have to get used to it).”

    http://dealbreaker.com/2008/04/ten_reasons_we_will_still_date.php#comments

  • be-the-ball

    sorry Tim, you are losing me as a regular on this site if I have to sort through the forums to see what stocks are being played. I usually have the latest blog post on one minute auto refresh to keep up with the days events.

    As I told you before, your forums are crazy cumbersome, it makes NO sense to have a separate forum for each stock. If i want to know about a certain stock, there are 6 different forums I can post the question to you.

  • timsykes

    oh the comments section of each post will always have play-by-play of what stocks we’re playing, i’ talking about random people asking about random stocks that dont come close to being in play and then they get angry that i dont respond to their crappy stocks. big big difference

  • Zach

    Sadly, Tim, I’m with BTB – the forums are a little undigestible and, without being crass, you’d get more page hits from updating your main page. I’m all about the site, the new site, branding, your speedy and characteristically un-proofread AIMesqe replies (u nnow what I mean>?), etc., but the forums could use the most overhaul.

    Make the forums searchable, use it more as an archive of your plays, posts, etc. The articles make a much easier anchor for commenting and following that discussion, especially with an auto-refresh.

    For someone with organically growing (and I don’t mean like COIN’s product – ugh) viewership, you shouldn’t have to worry about page hits, but it couldn’t hurt.

    Just thoughts from some of the regulars…

  • timsykes

    zach right on, this wasnt meant for the regulars, guess i shoulda phrased it better. new site is gonna have alllll sorts of new features

  • Karen

    Brendan,
    Probably Tim doesn’t have time to write about every single stock “crapy stocks” in his words, mentioned on this forum. But as Tim has been preaching to buy at strength and sell (or short) in weakness. CHS has this support arond $7 level. If it breaks down below $6.60 with heavy volumn, everybody should short CHS, IMHO.
    Karen

  • Felix

    Hey Tim,

    Just finished the book. Really easy reading and entertaining. I really like the last few pages where you talk about how the SEC if FOS. I think part of the reason the SEC has so many regulations is because they think that hedge fund managers are evil. I see these idiots on CNBC saying how this fund manager makes too much money or how fund managers should pay more in taxes. They think fund managers are out there waiting to profit as the lonely investor loses his shirt.

    These people think all you do is sit a computer all day like you said in your book and “play a video game”. This would be like saying anyone with colors and a brush could paint the Mona Lisa. These people have no idea how much work it takes to be successful in this game. You know who these people are, they are the people Francisco was talking about in his money speech. You know what I am talking about, and for all those people on this blog that don’t that is a shame.

    Anyway, just my two cents. Good luck and hope you have much success.

  • Zach

    Not a problem – like you’d get rid of us for merely suggesting we go to the forums to post.

    Who do you think we are? Fickle semiwannabe investors reading a nascent online blog who flock to pics of Dupre? It’s not like we’re going anywhere.

    Oh, and for people who jump in (usually nameless – speaking of which, where’s ‘NoName’?) to drop ?s about stocks . . . don’t worry. If you don’t respond, it’s because it’s OFF TOPIC – unless you’re writing about a stock (or about to be writing about a stock), screw what the randoms think.

    If they ask, it’s your choice to respond – that’s how that whole successful web publisher thing works, I think.

    I’m syked for tomorrow’s post (and positive someone has already made similar, horrible puns in the past). See you then.

  • Mike

    Maybe there could be a watch list posted on the side and you click on the names to talk about them. More organized than the forum.

  • be-the-ball

    glad to hear TIM, will stay on the front page

  • Gary

    What is your guys plays today? I am looking at COT to take a fall today. aAready 10 min into the day and almost no volume! Might be the day it will run down.

  • Trader1

    You should look into commodities. The gains that you report could be made in a matter of minutes!

  • Booyah

    DO YOU EVER NOT SMIRK?!

    Timothy Smyrkes – ahahahahahaha!

  • http://www.myspace.com/thetraknologist traknologist

    LOL @ Booyah

  • dannb

    DIET just did a PIPE deal too….

  • dannb

    duh, financing you were refering to, lots of shares purchased by two of the companies directors

  • wallie123
  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    FYI, TOS has no GVBP

    Subject: need 20000 GVBP to short

    07:08 Ross: none sorry
    07:09 Ross: anything else let us know

  • YoungGunz

    bah no shares @ tos for gvbp or fnet

  • adhbr

    Why did the tos trade desk just tell me they can’t reserve shares of gvbp to shorrt because they don’t allow shorting stocks under $3!?!?

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    adhbr of course they allow shorting under $3, they just say they dont for legal reasons…so sick and tired ofthese brokers regulations…i’m gonna start my own pennystocking broker….risk is crap like GBVP keeps going and bankrupts all those who refuse to cut losses

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    more bougs PRs from GVBP, seriously high risk of SEC halting this stock…”TheraGlass Ltd.” doesnt even seem to exist before today’s PR, something stinks….a lot

  • hirohyoto

    I’m sick of BS broker regulations too darn it! It’s a free market… I give you money… just let me trade wtf I want!

  • hirohyoto

    is HYTM a cup and handle formation?

  • BearNine

    I believe its a pump and dump formation.

    Will know on gvbp shares by 10 oclock.

    Also expecting a breakout today on TVL above 5 dollars.

  • hirohyoto

    hmmm….. sogo appears to not have locked my account yet… I may be able to daytrade again today… *fingers crossed*

  • hirohyoto

    BearNine… always the optimist *cough* cynic *cough*

    Just teasing… you’ve got your own style man, I can appreciate that.

  • BearNine

    jesse: well i don’t really want to short jazz
    Kevin: dont ask
    Kevin: dont waste our time
    Kevin: every time you request we have to fill out a form & send it?

    TOS reps getting testy with me. Just create a short list already….. jazz only thing shortable over at TOS.

  • BearNine

    Too busy shipping out stuffed monkeys i guess…

  • qbantek

    yahoo mb is boiling! :)

  • Jon_Reed

    It is entertaining QB…. ROFL…

  • be the ball

    appears that IB has no GVBP today either, so much the better, enforced patience

  • bassman52

    no email this mrng tim. thanx

  • be the ball

    no DIET or FNET at IB either

  • AdamN

    Bought some GVBP @ $1.00

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    There was 4000 DIET premarket BTB, I almost took those fuckers…. coulda, shoulda, woulda…

  • be the ball

    i know tbohen, i saw those. maybe reaper took ‘em

  • ditaln1

    Good call on TVL so far Bear..

  • AdamN

    Well I made back my -$830 loss of GVBP from yesterday. Sold my 6k shares @ $1.16 from my $1.00 entry. Made $924 on that quick 10 min buy!

  • zuluobb

    CGCA, Cobra oil. One employee named Pozzoni. Wonder if he is related to Joe Schmoe. Obvious short if you can find the shares.

  • sommac

    Lebed pumping XODG

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  • BearNine

    Ya, there TVL goes, i had to call TOS to get executed though(A BUY), missed my entry, what the hell is up with those guys?

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    nice adam, way to adapt, i like it!

  • jpp09

    gvbp dump begining.

  • teutomn

    its sad to watch this freebie tank to the bottom

  • jspmedia

    GVBP, Quick $.15 drop….is dumping starts?

  • be the ball

    on a % basis, same pulback in GVBP this am as yesterday. not sure this is the end of the game

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    damn GVBP pisses me off…i’m all prepared with my $150k to short huuuuge, no shares…apparently some subscribers are finding shares though, not sure who their broker is…nakedtrades.com?

  • be the ball

    nakedtrades.com

    lmao

  • BearNine

    Reserved 6000 shares of gvbp.

  • jchahboune

    be the ball,

    DIET and FNET are both easy to borrow if your broker clears through Genesis Securitiies (Sogo or Cy Group). I genuinly dont think that IB is the best option anymore.

  • cash

    Great call Tim secniro # 2 is exactly what happened just no shares to short. This one played out just as you called it.

  • BearNine

    Tim we need some advice here, wait for late day fade, or short now?!!

  • be the ball

    thx jchahboune , i am a little hesitant to join Sogo as Reaper talks about them as the biggest piece of shit on the planet when it comes to actual trading.

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    i’d love to short if i could find shares, late day this could be at 30-40 cents/share, but obviously there’s still risk of mid-day spiking too so understand the risks

  • qbantek

    no GVBP shares at SogoTrade

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    scenario #2 it is cash…this pisses me off, my only consolation is emails like this form people who learned to buy on the way up too:

    As a direct result of Timalerts I just banked $5,585.48 since yesterday afternoon. It has been a long 25 minute day and I am going to take the rest of it off, maybe have margari
    -Joe R.

  • bekifft

    Made a great profit buying and selling GVBP. Would have made more but it took forever for my sell order to go through. Bought at .65, sold at .95. Tried to sell at 1.10. I’m really pissed at T or S for it’s execution, never seen it that bad.

  • jspmedia

    Man GVBP is just amazing…what a crap..

  • BearNine

    got half my short off at .65

  • bekifft

    GVBP was the total accumulation of all the stock promotion and the total garbage press releases, one after another. Surprised that thing didn’t get halted. Sickening.

  • wallie123

    out of GVBP this morning for a nice $400 dollar gain. bought the breakout and then the gap up on press releases. This covers my cost of timtactics thanks tim.

  • be the ball

    wow, its below where we covered yesterday

  • be the ball

    where’d you get shares bearnine?

  • be the ball

    fuck me, now it is back to my entry price

  • bamaguy

    GVBP…down and down she goes….where she stops nobody knows

  • bamaguy

    Well I cannot short GVBP, but I may try to jump on a spike and sell quickly for a 5 or 10% gain. It’s at .48. 5 cent jump would be money. Just hestitant on entry point.

  • AdamN

    There it is Tim, your 50%+ tank on GVBP and not a single share in sight to short with, what a crime.

  • get shorty

    Made $ 60 on the long side on GVBP from 1.08 to 1.15 using a supertight trail order, too bad I couldn;t find shares to short after, what a piece of art Tim.

  • be the ball

    AdamN, bearnine claims to have found shares but until he reveals his broker I am going to have to add him to the “full of shit” pile

  • AdamN

    x2 BTB…I would like to know which broker had these shares

  • get shorty

    Making some money on GAS, canadian stock, riding up and down with tight trails.
    Good thing there is no PDT rule on cad stocks

  • bamaguy

    Tim,

    Do you think GVBP is going to spike back up?

    I think if this hits .35 I am going to buy in and wait and see if it pays off. I will cash out at .30 or .40 which ever comes first.

  • http://www.jawaexpress.com enslavedbynumber

    Tim, just 2 cents from me. I think you talked too much on GVBP… You even created a video exposing them and exposing yourself shorting at 30c and thinking to short more??!?! If I were those stock promoters I will get more fired up to pump the stock so you and subscribers will get squeezed. I may be wrong but hey right after you cover your short, the price tanked.

  • rarmany

    Did they just halt trading on GVBP

  • be the ball

    fuck me in the ass with a 5 foot sandpaper covered dildo….below .40 now

  • BearNine

    I found some at sogo, ask for ray, tell em bearnine sent you.

    Also it looks like this thing got halted or something.

  • davy917

    GVBP DONEZOOOO

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    daleela held through all this and covered at 42 cents/share…she’s got huuuge guts

  • joethemoe

    looks like sec isn’t dead

  • BearNine

    Just shorted more at .42

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    possible mid-day spike though, remember the titanic didnt sink immediately

  • bamaguy

    Bought 10000 GVBP at .40…going to try and sell at .50 if it hits that or settle for .45.

  • braderhart

    Tim, your pennystocking brokerage is a brilliant idea. Make these frauds available to be exploited. Cheers to the lucky few who were able to reserve shares.

  • qbantek

    is it halted? no trades going on in SogoTrade

  • ditaln1

    I think it’s halted. I haven’t seen a trade in about 10 minutes…

  • ditaln1

    I take that back, all the pumpers took their money… it’s cooked…

  • ditaln1

    I’m reading on some message boards that OTCBB and Pink Sheets are down?? I don’t show any trading anywhere.. can anyone confirm?

  • rarmany

    No trades on TOS so far

  • jchahboune

    seriously bearnine? sogo clears through genesis securities and they have none. i guess i need to meet this ray guy!

  • avoigt_2000

    check NVAX here for pos spike or drop

  • bamaguy

    Out of GVBP at .50…made just under 1k after commissions.

  • ub7

    Bearnine – 1st, you CANNOT reserve shares at sogo trade. 2nd – I’ve never been able to short any sub $1′s on sogo..This is the message you get when you try :

    This symbol cannot be short sold.

  • hirohyoto

    No love for ZOOM? Shorted 18000$ worth at 10.10

  • reasons2

    made a quick $320 buying selling gvbp

  • hirohyoto

    COVERED 1760 ZOOM @ 9.50 for $1026.76

    Thank you overbought STOCKS!

  • BearNine

    down -900$, crap.

  • be the ball

    ignore what i am saying cause i am on tilt from GVBP…..

    this meesage board cracks me up. You can post that you shorted and covered something and made a bunch of money, all after the fact, and noone questions it.

    outside of yahoo boards, that doesn’t fly anywhere.

    credit to Reaper for actually showing screenshots of his trades.

  • ditaln1

    totally missed the boat on gvbp when it was at 50 cents!!!!

  • hirohyoto

    be the ball…. what is your email? I will send screen captures to anyone of my sogo account.

    I would join covestor but I am joining Harmon Trading now as I’ve popped PDT twice at sogo…

    where’s the love BTB =)

  • braderhart

    Shorted 2000 shares of FNET late yesterday @ $2.56. Covered this morning @ $2.16. +$800.00 on the trade. Thanks Tim.

  • hirohyoto

    btb plus… Tim is always drilling us to post profits/losses…. I’m not doing it as a personal trophy man… I’m helping Tim’s business.. I have nothing to gain from impressing you guys.

    I’m not doing it so “it will fly”
    This is a subscription based trade alert site designed to make people money and I am just posting my reapings…..

    just my humble opinion

  • jchahboune

    hiro,

    i would love to know how you did that man. I got filled on 175 shares and the spread was around 20 cents. I made 17.50 or 10 cents a share and was watching the level 2 the whole time. I know what I made was pathetic but in no way am i buying you made that much on this stock.

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Fuuuck yeah!!! BTB stirring it up, I just had a tear trickle down my cheek, ahh the nostalgia for the good ol’ days…

  • http://www.reapertrades.com Reaper

    yeah BTB that is why I do it … it is hard (though not impossible) to fake video recording of my screen. Even if I knew how to do that I would be to lazy to do it.

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    I’m short $DSCO fucker refuses to crack .90 so I will probably cover soon….

    SLD 5000 DSCO Stock NMS 1.04 BEST(USD) 09:44:36 GMT-0400 on Wed, 16 Sep 2009

  • be the ball

    hiro,

    i’ve seen you post losses here so its cool. and whatever helps tim get more subs is good as it makes theplays self-fulfilling in many cases…

    i’m just stirring shit up….

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Damnitt, I was hoping to find the clip where they talk about how hard it is to fake security video footage, but this is as close as I could find!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mfXGemJryo

  • hirohyoto

    jchabourne – what is your email? or should I post them on the web… like myspace or something.

    I covered at 9.50… and I will prove it.

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes
  • jchahboune

    hiro, if you shorted ZOOM at 10.10 why wait until it starts trading at 9.55ish to post your coment. it had not traded at 10.10 for 30 minutes from where you told us. So do you always wait 30 minutes to post your trades?

  • hirohyoto
  • jchahboune

    my bad hiro, congrats on the trade.

  • hirohyoto

    because sometimes I am in the heat of the moment with trading… not doing it for people to follow me… I should maybe post on twitter….

    I am slow retard sometimes is another answer.

    it’s ok jchahboune… nothing but love from me to you guys… =)

  • hirohyoto

    OPXA again with the morning spike… how can you NOT make money shorting those spikes?

  • jchahboune

    OPXA is on the non shortable stocks list from the SEC now.

    This is such a blessing in disguise.

  • jchahboune

    lol hiro, we both did those commens at like the same time.

    special bond. :-)

  • ub7

    Ya i would love to see a screenshot of bearnines short position in GVBP via sogotrade…would love to be proved wrong but ive never been able to short sub $1′s on sogo…

  • gsp33

    what does being on the non shortable stock lists mean? i am short opxa right now.

  • scrillawill

    my happy meal trade is doing ok MCD lol

  • jchahboune

    gsp33 that means you could be hit with a failure to deliver and be forced to cover at the current market price. it happenned to yngvai the other day.

  • alexfalas

    gsp33/jchahboune… I think your info is wrong. I just confirmed with TOS and OPXA is still shortable. Not sure where you’re getting your info.

  • ub7

    According to customer service rep @ sogotrade GVBP WAS NEVER ON SHORT LIST..not today, not yesterday..again i would love to be proved wrong can u supply a screen shot bear? only reason im so interested in this is because im considering changing brokers to TOS or IB

  • http://www.reapertrades.com Reaper

    OPXA is easily shortable at IB and is not on Reg SHO list

    google “reg sho list nasdaq”

  • qbantek

    @ub7: it was never on the short list, u have to call in early in the morning and ask them to reserve shares for you. it will take time and xtra fees might apply. i was able to reserve 2500 yesterday and 2500 today