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Trial By Economic Jury: Are You Innocent Or Guilty?

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I sincerely hope you’re like me. Innocent. And that you’ve been waiting for this for a long time. For all these shortsighted, un-learned, debt-loving, over-leveraged individuals and companies to fall flat on their ignorant faces. Because now is the time to celebrate. The party is in full swing. It’s on. You have done your homework and now it’s vacation time. You have learned the lessons from classic books such as Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds and The Great Crash. You know that history repeats itself. You know excess leverage causes catastrophes. You cannot wait for the the jury to return their verdict because you know you’re off the hook.

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You have what it takes to make it through these “tough times” because you understand the consequences of too much dumb money. Like me, you have been looking forward to this Noah’s Ark-style cleansing for what seems like forever, and you know—or maybe just hope—it won’t be over quickly so you can extract every last ounce of enjoyment. Not because you enjoy seeing others suffer. No. But because your hard work has helped you sidestep the pain and you are proud. Like me, you tried to warn others. To no avail. Like me, you’ve switched your assets into gold, euros and Swiss Francs. Like me, you’ve invested in the most incredible mutual fund for right now, Permanent Portfolio (PRPFX).

To those who are hurting, I feel no compassion. You deserve all your pain. You deserve all your losses. And more. You have not read enough. You have not sacrificed enough. You have not slaved away for years, researching anything and everything financial. You, like most naive Americans, believe making money in the markets is easy. That it can be accomplished solely by patience and perseverance because “investments grow over time.” That it doesn’t take constant monitoring, adjusting and reflection. That it’s a science, not an art. That it doesn’t take every last bit of effort to understand all the variables in play, not just a selective few.

For too long, you have ignored the lessons of the past. For too long, you have ignored the variables working day and night against you. For too long, you have given into blind greed. For too long, you have succumbed to the marketing ploys of “experts”, whose scripts have been written by and firms staffed by those just as—if not moreso—ignorant than you. Just like you, those people wanted to earn money alongside all their friends, without understanding and considering the risks, downside potential and economic cyclicity. Just like you, they believed the US was immune to economic disaster. Just like you, they thought Wall Street was run by intelligent people. For too long, you have gotten away with all of this.

For the past few years, you loved rubbing all the money you were making in my face. For the past few years, you would say, “Why are you still in stocks, don’t you know real estate is the place to be?” and “I’m a trader like you, I just trade houses for bigger gains!” For the past few years, you would ask me, “Why don’t you use leverage, you could borrow a lot off your $1 million, then you could be making the serious money like us!”

Now it’s time you pay for your sins. Now it’s time you learn how dangerous leverage can be. Now it’s time you see just how illiquid real estate can be. Now it’s time you realize how Wall Street works. Now it’s time to attend Economics 101 taught by the professor himself, Mr. Supply and Demand, and his TA, Mr. Margin Call. Now it’s time you sit front and center—unable to doze off—because the presentation is your financial future going up in smoke.

Am I being too harsh? Who cares. I do not matter. I am not the judge or the jury. I am just a spectator. A blogger. I am visiting you in jail. This is your chance to tell the world your story. If you’re lucky, it will become a movie starring George Clooney.

No laughing. No smiling. No jokes. This is no laughing matter. You’re being charged with economic ignorance of the first degree, how do you plead?

Posted in Books, Fess Up Time, Rants

  • be-the-ball

    Tim Sykes,

    The Jerry Springer of financial commentary.

    You don’t have to be outrageous and an ass to be a star. That fame is fleeting.

    Take the high road. Your points are good ones but they are lost in your fratboy style.

    I am probably wrong, as your last survey did indicate most of your readers are of fratboy age.

  • timsykes

    ha I dunno man, I just write down everything I’m thinking, I don’t care if I’m a star or not, I will teach people to trade like me and have success doing so

  • ethan

    Tim, try typing this same manifesto in a few years when you have a wife and two kids, and I am sure it will come out a little differently. Sometimes people need to take on a little debt to support their kids or pay for an emergency. Shit happens. While i really enjoy your love of stocks and your maverick approach to life (ah, to be in my 20′s again!), I think you are missing a key element in your life: compassion.

    I’ll keep reading your blog (you’re a smart, witty guy), but I think one day you’ll realize that your missing out on an important piece in the puzzle that is your life.

  • be-the-ball

    ethan,

    well put, I was going to write similar thoughts.

    you do care if you are a star, Tim, and you know it. Don’t demean your readers by denying it.

    how does the post above teach people about trading?

  • timsykes

    I have plenty of compassion, just not for ignorant people. I have no problem with a little debt, but you gotta remember I got a big ass chip on my shoulder thanks to people ripping my short bias strategy. So dont mind me if I take the bitter road every now and then as I prove this strategy is ideal for small investors/traders.

    PS To learn how to trade like e, its not just trading strategy posts, its life lesson posts. Who knows, maybe somebody will take all the junk in my head and do something with it that’s much greater than I ever could

  • timsykes

    And no i never asked to be a star, i just have a big mouth and i’m gonna use it to decimate all the BS out there

  • be-the-ball

    OK, I will grant you that ignorant (stupid) people are a pet peeve of mine as well. (That and fat people, but they are so often one and the same)

    Who is ripping your short bias strategy? I see very few negative comments here.

    Don’t get so jaded by critics that you become a troll like Cramer.

  • timsykes

    EVERYBODY rips on short selling penny stocks/microcaps. u don’t see their comments here because i prove day in and day out why it does work, buuuuuuuuuuut there’s still very far to go before mainstream acceptance, that will take a while.

    the chip on the shoulder works wonders motivation-wise, before i was content taking my little profits, living a nice vacation filled life, but now that i see all these “experts” out there giving BS advice and how all the misinformation has stunted education in this industry, i can’t but help feel its my mission to cut through everything and help people. i’m no saint, i also see opportunity, but the sad reality is that brutal honesty is a revolutionary business model in finance!

  • Joseph

    I’m watching CNBC. These guys gotta be the most optimistic people I have ever seen. They said it could have been worse. That’s what they said last week and they’re always trying to find a safe sector. Is it me or do you guys notice the same thing?

  • MJ

    Tim,

    You should go ahead and enjoy your success. You deserve the benefits of your labor. Don’t let these haters kill your joy. Keep up the good work. I’m a big fan.

    MJ

  • mitil

    calm down tim don’t be so grumpy…

  • lmsmith

    Today was the best trading I ever had- how did everyone do??

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  • John

    Good for you Tim. Prpfx is a great fund. I’ve had clients in that for awhile now. Check out Bearx too.

  • http://themarkettrend.wordpress.com Kevin Watson

    Hi Tim,

    Everyone has a lessons to learn in the markets, If people lose all there money it is because of greed, hope, fear and ignornace.

    Be patieant, don’t get greedy, don’t hope, don’t fear, learn to trade and find a system that suites your own trading style. Cut your losses short and let your winners ride.

    It takes years to learn how to trade and profit.

    Tough shit, if people are not willing to learn and they lose all there money.

    Your a credit to all of us real traders TIM.

  • Oliver

    great post tim. this is brutal honesty. i always tell everyone: “im not being mean im being honest. if you dont like my honesty dont hang out with me.”
    seems like both of us are left with one question: why is it that people dont like honesty but the BS works out for them?

  • gretz

    No one commented on the Vick cartoon!! Thought it was awesome.

    nice “I told you so”

    It’s peculiar to see the author call out other speculators.

    pot….kettle…black

    Karma can be a bitch sometime, huh?

  • Vince Parker

    Tim, as a dad with three kids, I liked your post. The good life and having more than enough all comes down to responsibility and discipline. Smarts is not required but of course helps. There are rich guys with lowly jobs who have exercised fiscal discipline by putting a fraction of their income away and choosing not to have kids until they could afford them.

  • Randy

    Nice blog. I have the feeling you’ll still be trying to turn your $16K into $1M when we’re old and gray. You’re too wise now to do what you did in your heyday, and that market situation of ’99 – ’00 will never repeat.

  • Randy

    Oh, and btw, Stimpy is a cat. Ren & Stimpy are in the cartoon.

  • Oy Vey

    Oy vey….never have I seen some much brains with so little heart….let’s dissect…

    >”To those who are hurting, I feel no compassion. You deserve all your pain. You deserve all your losses. And more.

    My my…ever met any of these people…I have…they aren’t bad folks. Try having a couple of kids, especially if there are issues or the local schools are crap, and see what risks you would take to give them a good life. Besides, the pink slip process isn’t always very rational (one of my friends got laid off after blowing away her ’07 goals…basically they folded two organizations into one and the senior executive that won already has someone with her specialty).

    > You have not read enough. You have not sacrificed enough.

    Bullshit…they just haven’t read the correct things. I bet they had a lot more fun the past couple of years than you did.

    >You have not slaved away for years, researching anything and everything financial.

    No, they were out holding jobs and starting families….two things you have been unable to do thus far. It’s been shown that your kids and the prestige of your job has a significantly higher impact on your personal happiness and social attractiveness than mere wealth….

    > You, like most naive Americans, believe making money in the markets is easy.

    In the long term, it is.

    > That it can be accomplished solely by patience and perseverance because

  • ETQT

    40% of the readers on this site are apparently college-aged
    assuming these people do not have children, a family, and a large account for investing
    Tim’s article is well-directed to this audience

  • timsykes

    Interesting, the majority of commenters bring up jobs and family as excuses, and one guy even looked down on me for not having either! First of all, family, c’mon, I’m 26…and as for job, I’ve never needed to work for anybody else because I’ve always found a way to make my own money, first in the market and now in writing/teaching about the market. Forget about poor writers, I’m on track for a nice little six digit year this year–who knew brutal honesty could be so profitable?

    As for the variables, I don’t understand them all–I never will–but just like my trusty chart patterns, when there’s a significant number of them pointing one direction, I believe they help tip the scales a bit so its ignorant to bet when the odds are against you.

    Longterm, sure real estate/American, they’ll probly all be fine, but the same is true about somebody who breaks his leg after jumping out of a second story window to get down to the street. Me, I’ll take the elevator.

  • mb

    No one wants to see anyone suffer from losing money, but thats the name of the game.

    There is no substitue for knowledge, and prudence. And the majority of americans, and financial institutions have a serious lack of both.

    I too am enjoying this collapse, I have no significant debt, and am positioned to make a killing. We will see deflation and a severe recession. But, our gov’mt will succeed in blowing another bubble, as always.

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    Seems like investors need to keep more long-term view to avoid being involved in those problems. It’s easy to forget true market fundamentals. Best long-term growth stocks: electric cars!

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  • tmcnally

    OMG my wife works for a company on Tim’s list…NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    Whew…good thing it’s the earnings breakout TWB! }8^)

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Maybe its me skimming to fast through the post but if we want to be in the coaching event do we do anything at this point? Or is the signup coming later?

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    I meant to get a full recap posted to my blog on MSHL but ran out of time. I realize I only profited a little over $400 or so but man what an easy layup, shorted at $1 and covered at roughly $0.8 I only kick myslef for not going in for 10K shares! But I still get pretty timid on the sub dollar stocks.

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    coaching event signup is coming soon…

  • BuckeyeTrader82

    ETC got delisted haha . what does that mean for my shares?

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Ok thats cool, I just skimmed the announcemnt post real quick and didnt know if I missed something.

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    r u serious, u still own that pile of crap? i should charge u double for TIMalerts because my lessons apparently aren’t sinking in are they

  • BuckeyeTrader82

    yes i still own it haha! i have been trying to sell it but the bid is so low.

  • BuckeyeTrader82

    i am the bagholder on this one

  • BuckeyeTrader82

    well someone bought a 1/4 of my position in ETC pre-market. looking to lose $1120 in total on ETC

  • duzas

    Look at MED in premarket. I shorted yesterday $8.68.

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    nice duzas! beautiful reversal, i’d take the $1/share profits

  • sonid

    Whats your take on NXTM

  • Spit

    Not much pre market activity on FONR.

  • Spit

    As always Sonid, wait for the sideways price action and collapse in volume.

  • sonid

    Thanks spit !

  • sonid

    I think HEB Might pop before the weekend with all the people ASSuming the FDA call next week

  • darkseraph

    can’t find shares for UOMO =(

  • darkseraph

    considering buying TWB

  • AdamN

    FONR dying in premarket, hoping to see this thing below $2 today.

  • Spit

    Im with you adam, looking good.

  • sonid

    ton of action on HEB

  • rajuthan

    SMRT @ 6.68
    out at 6.92

    $60 profit :D

  • bassman52

    anyone in TWB ? what entry?

  • ehrof

    Covered BCRX at 3.60 this morning. Shorted 1050 at 3.95 and 3.60 over the past two days for profits of $180ish after commissions.

    My first successful short with TIMalerts and up almost $500 (or more than 10% on opening funds of $4,300ish) since Monday.

    Thanks Tim and all the guys in the chatrooms!

  • bassman52

    in TWB @ 4.05

  • be the ball

    nice to see uomo fading back down, too bad there were no shares to add to our shorts Tim

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    bassman, dont buy an earnings breakout on weakness, i buy on strength/breakouts…u really dont get my strategy do u? here, get a DVD and stop the dumb trading

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  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    UOMO is fading nice, scary, but thats the game when there are no new shares to short

  • Spit

    U still in fonr Adam?

  • be the ball

    Back to my entry for UOMO, nice fade….man would have loved to add to position up there….

  • cash

    COT just borke out slow but it is a break out.

  • be the ball

    i added to UOMO here, IB has shares again if anyone wants to get some quick

  • bassman52

    Tim i have your dvds, i am jus trading stupid right now im taking a break and gonna re watch all of them (dvd’s). i suck! loss 125 on TWB. thanks Tim. dude i need coaching !!!

  • Scott W

    Shorted FONR yesterday @ 2.42 and covered today @ 2.14. An easy $560

  • be the ball

    oops, shares gone again from IB, hope someone else got on board here

  • nifri

    Short 2k UOMO @ 0.7.

  • dino

    shoth 1k RUTH at 2.948

  • be the ball

    nice nifri, way to be on top of things

  • dino

    PACR NICE SHORT

  • scrillawill

    tim can u check out etgg i think its a pump and dump

  • carolcj83

    ESLR tanked! LOL where’s SRT?

  • AdamN

    Yeah spit, still in FONR

  • wallie123

    I hope he sold it. I have not the slightest idea why in the world he bought that stock.

  • ehrof

    Shorted BCRX at $3.86, covered at 3.75, $90 gain.

  • be the ball

    its all papertrading anyway wallie, so don’t worry

  • be the ball

    that’s the second day that UOMO has held .64-.65. Annoying.

    Tim, remind me to be patient….

  • Spit

    Cool Adam, so am I. Its having a nce sideways action now with no volume :)

  • dino

    ruth im out 278,00 to the good

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    livestock tomorrow 1-2pm eSt, ask any questions u def. want answered in the comment box below this post:

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  • AdamN

    Yes FONR looking real good today.

  • Spit

    You got a target adam?

  • AdamN

    Well $2 is going to be a key resistance level, so I’ll wait to see whether or not it breaks or bounces. If it breaks, then this thing may plummet quickly to $1.25-$1.50. If it holds, I’ll just take profits around $2 – $2.10.

  • gsp33

    Hey Tim,

    Finally got out of FEED … in at 3.18 all the way back when you bought a month ago…slightly different strategy going for me as I don’t have time to watch the market all day…so i just buy the ones that you sound most confident about and hold them…anyway all said and done got out at around 4.50 and banked 6 grand on 4400 shares ! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE…you are the man!

  • scrillawill

    tim you toldme send you my spam i recieved a pump in the mailThe instant ETGG breaks the squeeze-trigger price barrier, it should go for a HUGE run!.

    At current prices ETGG is a steal, it was being picked up yesterday for close to $2!

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    awesome news greg, congrats!

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    “its all papertrading anyway wallie, so don

  • be the ball

    :-)

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Heres a fucking question for you Tim. How would you have handled this situation?

    I shorted NMTI yesterday after it broke through $2, not a great short I know but it looked ok to me.

    Well I fucked up and forgot the wife told me I had to be at my sons school at 9 this morning, I thought she said 11.

    So I put in a stop limit with IB, of course the fucking stock spikes hits my limit of $2.10 right at the open and fucks me over with a high fill.

    I lost $500ish so not the end of the world and I wouldn’t cancel on my sons field trip if you paid me $500 so fuck it.

    My question is if you were in my shoes what would you have done?
    -Let it ride and hope for the best?
    -Do the same thing I did?
    -Cancel on the field trip?
    -Other option?

  • djsdream

    Hey Timmay…..what email can I send some info to you at….in regards to InvestorsHub….or do you allready know?

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    tim, i never use stop losses and close positions immediately or let it ride while away from your screen

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Come on bro, after all this time you think I don’t know those canned answers? I was curious if you had gotten yourself into a situation like I did what you would have done?

    You short something into the close and forget that Daleela said your ass better be at a breakfast meeting or pack your bags? What do you do? :)

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  • Spit

    Hi Tim, any thoughts on FONR? The chart looks like a nice downtrending action. Volume is low. I am short 400 shares (all they had) from 2.38.

    Would you keep holding? AdamN is in as well.

  • be the ball

    dammit, if i could steal some shares to short I would short whatever it took to get this UOMO below .64

  • Spit

    Looks like im holding FONR overnight again.

  • Spit

    You holding Adam?

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Two trades and I’m flat as a board and easy to nail…

    http://www.kabam.com/?p=2066

  • SoBeGemini

    Tim, bought $MRM at 9.27 on a slight pull back & sold at 9.85 a few mintues later. Total profit $580. Thanks for the training & the watch list recommendation.

  • LaVaque

    THC was easy $$$. In 2.85, out 3.40. $550 profit…thank you timalerts

  • bill

    tbohen, i’m wondering if conditional stop can also be been by MMs.