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How To Bake A 25% Overnight Profit Cake And Eat It Too

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Take one part failing company (VION), one part 100%+ surge within a few days ($1.25 to $2.50 in 2 days), add in a bushel of bitter shareholders (stock’s down from $28 in 3 years, ouch!), apply an overnight short position and presto…your 25% gain should be ready within 1-2 days…just keep checking in to make sure it doesn’t burn!

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VION shows you why it’s good be an overnight short of a failing company—because if there’s overnight news, odds are it’s gonna be bad news. And the news was another delisting warning from the Nasdaq, a mere month after they did a 1-10 reverse split to stay listed! Out of all the companies I’ve ever shorted, this is one of the worst, losing $34 mil/quarter, $50,000 in revenues, $61mil in cash left and $54mil in debt…a homeless guy could do a better job running this POS! (cardboard facilities to cut down on costs)

The stock opened lower on pathetic volume, big buyers below, forget that…I covered at $2.15-ish for a nice $274 gain, after commissions. Earn 12% on your money literally overnight? Yes, please! Yah, I know, I was trying to bake a 25% profit cake, but I just couldn’t wait, I was too hungry…story of my life…coulda woulda shoulda held all day…big buyers got taken out easily…but enjoying undercooked profits is my specialty…look at the multi-day chart, it’s THE SAME as previous successful trades/calls: SHZ, DARA and about a hundred others which have made me into a millionaire, this is just the latest example of how it’s great to short into a negative close on the third day of an exponential microcrap runup…and it’s really the only pattern I should ever trade (Just as I preach and teach in my instructional DVD PennyStocking whose cost is covered by this trade alone!) Perfect entry + decent exit = good trade but you can definitely do better

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Aftterwards, I saw some morning fades on some other recently strong microcrappers, VVTV, HALO and SEED so I knew the environment was conducive to shorting. With that in mind, I took aim at COIN and BPAX, both hard to borrow at Thinkorswim, so I opened the chat window and reserved shares to short just in case.

COIN’s pattern wasn’t ideal, so I passed (made the right call, it kept going higher), but BPAX was just slightly negative on the day at $3.30 so I zeroed in on it…I don’t like shorting in the morning, but if a stock that’s up a ton over the past few days is down slightly on the day with a chance of being down big, I’ll consider it.

Since the weather for shorting these things was sunny today, I shorted 1,000 shares at $3.28 (somewhat aggressive but no overly) ideally covering at $3 (since it’s up from $2 two days ago). Big blocks sells took out $3.27, $.25 and $3.20, so I was up a bit, but there were big buyers at $3.10, $3.12 and $3.15…I said screw it, cover at $3.17-ish, profit of $85 after commissions…stock went a bit lower, but then bounced, proving an early exit is not always the wrong decision, especially when you have a profit / there’s little volume and big buyers everywhere.

“Solid day…just 24 more like it and I’m over the magical $25k SEC freedom hump!”

And that’s the kind of thinking that almost got me into trouble I wanted more profits and thanks to a 3-day runup in beaten down solar stocks, I thought I saw another good short selling opportunity. SOLF, AKNS and ASTI were the three suspects—I chose ASTI—because it was up the most (thinking it had the furthest to fall)—shorting 500 shares at $11.81…but 10 min in and with the market and the other 2 solars tanking (SOLF dropping 75 cents on a perfect head and shoulders grrrrrrrr), my ASTI was flat

Since it wasn’t my ideal pattern, and ½ of the 4 mil float is short, I couldn’t risk a short squeeze into the close/tomorrow morning so I covered at $11.85, for a stupid $30-ish loss. Stupid trade, good loss cutting (it did breakout another 25 cents/share), latest lesson in why you gotta ignore your opinions and go with the charts—look at a 2-day SOLF chart and see its crack into the close was the 4th try to crack $11.80…not ideal, but infinitely better than shorting into the random solar strength that is ASTI

Trading too much…gotta stop

Posted in Analogies, Good Trades, Pattern Day Trader Rule, Patterns To Short, Short Selling, Supernovas

  • Mike T.

    Good post but I think one of th emost important lessons with this one is the following:

    “this is just the latest example of how it

  • mitils

    tim…i am wondering if this is your only strategy….shorting the micro capers!.. This seams to be ideal rig ht now, but i am just wondering how well it will work once market goes back in to rally mode!….do u have an alternative strategy or u believe this works no matter what….

    for example how much this process helped u make during Sept to October 2007?
    please post some of the plays you did during that time.

  • timsykes

    this is the strategy i’ve been using since 2001! it works in bull and bear markets, you just need to be more aggressive at certain times….bring on rally mode, then there’ll be more plays!

  • http://angrytrader123.blogspot.com/ angrytrad123

    tim sykes, im beginging to doubt u.
    u AND UR PENNY STOCKS
    futures r the way to go

  • timsykes

    u can doubt me all u want, many do, all i’m gonna do is keep trading the way i’ve learned to…its a very small game but thats why it works so well, gift and the curse

  • Jim

    Tim,

    What is this SEC freedom hump?

    —plug book now i know its coming

  • timsykes

    no plug needed, pattern day trader rule wasn’t in effect last time I had under $25k

  • Mike

    Tim,

    What did Andrew Horowitz say about the merits of mustaches?

  • Mike

    Mike Lewis had interesting article about Bear Stearns similar to what you wrote, http://www.bloomberguniversity.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aSE8yLAyALNQ&refer=home

  • wu

    tim

    I m new to this but i see you shorted it but are you also saying, Vion has a chance to get a pop back up within thursday and friday period? thanks !

  • mitil

    tim ..
    how did you came up with BPAX there is no news behind the move…it got kind of week today. very similar to vion!

  • Mike

    “this is just the latest example of how it

  • NeilTheRealDeal

    yeah we don’t like earnings. Those are signs of a good company. We like the crappers.

  • Jason R.

    Seems like the date and times are back up on the press releases on Yahoo Finance.

  • 5holeSAVE

    Are you getting times on Yah.fin? All I’m seeing is dates…

  • 5holeSAVE

    oops my bad, I had a view saved from yesterday.

  • coolguy

    Actually, HALO wasn’t down all day long except for at open it dropped to $6.55 and quickly poped back up to $6.70 area and stayed there all day long…how boring!! And at the end dropped to $6.50 area and closed….perhaps daytraders fluffs for all day long. However, closed at red after several days long up, and according to Tim, it is the first sign to short if shows further weakness. I am ready to short, if HALO shows weakness today.

  • Dan

    Anyone going long solf ?

  • timsykes

    loving that ASTI is up $2+, great cover

  • http://www.sequoiatradingclub.com Sequoia

    Goooood moooooooooorning New York !!!

    Wake up ! Want some Coffee and “des croissants chauds” ?

  • manhack

    Dang….BPAX is rocketing up!

  • timsykes

    ypu, BPAX, SOLF, ASTI, REED, all these momos, if they aint goin down, they gonna squeeeeeeeeeze

  • timsykes

    short 1000 REED at 4.39, right into the madness, a few people getting squeezed, think i can cover 4ish

  • lmsmith

    Time to short COIN

  • Dan

    solf going to 18 today

  • Thomas

    If the pattern daytrading rule was’t in effect last time, why are you using an American broker this time? Find a foreign broker that doesn’t have to follow that rule.

  • timsykes

    solf is not going to 18, in fact, shorts would be up 50 cents/share if they shorted when such ridiculous price targets are thrown around

  • Neil

    ASTI: any more squeeze left in it?

  • manhack

    HALO….going red

  • tsa

    Tim you keep your position on REED?

  • timsykes

    yup, got in too early, but REED’s price action is very encouraging, lots of big sell blocks up above, taking out the big buy blocks, still wanna cover under $4, this should be a $4.50 double top

  • daveinjapan

    now shorting ASTI at $14.99…

  • daveinjapan

    might wanna put APWR back on watch, they are up lately, report April 1st, and even get to ring the opening bell at NASDAQ on 4/16, LOL!

  • timsykes

    godamn REED is beautiful, huge sell blocks just above my entry, volume fading, plenty of room for a 50 cent drop

  • manhack

    Wonder what the deal is with BPAX? Would this be a good short if it starts a sideways action/downward trend?

  • JJ

    BPAX at 3.94 good entry to short?

  • timsykes

    why r u guys even considering BPAX as a potential short here? it’s broken through resistance, took out a ton of seller yesterday, sure, it could go down, but it all its done is show signs of strength, u gotta learn to understand these short squeezes better

  • timsykes

    i dont like an asti short either, its solid news, avoid!

  • daveinjapan

    covered ASTI at $15.35, ouch!

  • lmsmith

    Don’t short solar now…..

  • NeilTheRealDeal

    what about AKNS? up to $8 from $4.50 in just a few days and it looks like its heading back down

  • timsykes

    covered REED, up $100ish, missed 3 chances at getting out at $4.11ish wanted the big drop, now theres buyers everywhere and i gotta go to a meeting….ahhh the life of a part time trade, hopefully it squeezes into the close

  • manhack

    davinjapan…..holy crap man…ASTI dipped low

  • lmsmith

    Neil The Real….. I am thinking of shorting AKNS…. I wish I caught it at 7.95….. I might short now….

  • NeilTheRealDeal

    I caught it right as it broke through $7.50. lookin good so far

  • NeilTheRealDeal

    I also went long on its way up from 7.41 to 7.80 today. now i’m short on its way down. very happy with it

  • M. Li

    Tim, what do you think SYBD? thanks

  • http://www.glguideservice.com Jeff C

    Anyone watching COT?

  • lmsmith

    I am still holding my COIN Short…. will dump soon…

  • Al

    BPAX nice intraday double top forming. thinking of shorting.. any opinions please

  • manhack

    BPAX is scary unless it really starts dropping

  • timsykes

    bpax is 50x more a buy than a short, intraday double top, so what, its still up a ton and early shorts can really get squeezed…remember 3.50 was bigtime resistance it broke through it easily

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  • http://www.myspace.com/thetraknologist traknologist

    Didn’t know you stayin in trades overnight.

  • scrillawill

    Think or Swim finaly available at tdameritrade wow just downloaded it looks the same no futures or forex yet but stocks and otions r up and running

  • TheChatter

    Does anyone know why TD Ameritrade or ToS don’t allow applications from the UK?

  • nifri

    TheChatter, FYI parabol64 posted late yesterday regarding your statement that TOS is not available for UK residents. He is using TOS in the UK: http://timalerts.com/2009/08/12/morning-watchlist-8-stocks-21/comment-page-3/#comment-18339

  • nifri

    TheChatter, sorry, just saw, that you posted back in the same thread. Just ignore my previous message.

  • TheChatter

    No worries nifri, I emailed ToS and they said because of the merger with tdameritrade they can no longer accept UK applicants.

    Find it strange that they can’t accept applications but ETrade, Sogotrade etc allow applications…

  • TheChatter

    Bought 2800 CGCA yesterday at the start of the day predicting it to be promoted that day. Unfortunatly it wasn’t promoted until last night so it will jump today and I can sell as it’s got about 10 newsletters that I know of promoting it. Only looking for 10% but should be very quick. Wish I’d known it wasn’t getting promoted until today so I could have got on Zoom which I watched go all the way up.

  • BearNine

    Bought TVL for possible morning panic?

  • davy917

    How can you tell when a short squeeze is happening?

  • Chris

    davy get Tim’s DVDs!!!! (I’d like to get affiliate credit for that please)

    squeeze is when you see a stock dropping, then a sharp increase from shorters covering

  • Chris

    really, it doesn’t have to drop at all, as a squeeze can make an uptrend go even higher

  • TheChatter

    Anyone shorting CHINA?

  • tbohen

    +$540 morning panic on $ADCT in$8.99 0ut$8.70

  • Chris

    Right now i REALLY wish I had a day trade left…

  • Toh

    chris, what do you want to trade?

  • TerranFirebat

    covered china at 2.7599 for a 1 cent gain. i don’t like the way this stock is moving.

  • tbohen

    Hmm I’m having a hard time leaving $CRY alone….

  • BearNine

    TVL not acting right, wall of sellers, sold for a 20$ profit.

  • scrillawill

    Im still short CHINA

  • thunderhead51

    Same here. Still short china 700 @ 2.75 from last week! Bad newbie move on my part holding so long. (need to trade like I’m castrated and take profits when they are there!) I should have gotten out Tuesday when it dipped to 2.62 and gotten back in when it cracked 2.80 yesterday, longer term chart is horrible as Tim has pointed out a few times already. Now we get to see if it’ll crack that 2.70 level all over again.

  • Chris

    i would have gone with either CRY or zoom right off the bat

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    CHINA fading nicely

  • scrillawill

    bought 2000 IPG

  • SouthernTrader

    TOS didnt have any shares of ZAGG or CHINA to short this morning when I called…Its hard to find shares with TOS sometimes! But, Im a newbie still learning too…

  • scrillawill

    IPG breaking out nicely

  • tbohen

    Man $AVNR a thing of beauty, I almost shorted on the $3 crack, straight down for almost 3 days, I think Reaper almost hit it at $3 too.

  • Chris

    I’m crying over CRY!

  • BearNine

    No shares of china at TOS

  • jcd5816

    Pulled this off of ZAGG latest quarterly:
    During the six months ended June 30, 2009, the Company issued 295,999 shares of its common stock in exercise of options to purchase 295,999 shares. The Company received proceeds of $265,499 related to the exercise of the options. The Company also issued 1,641,118 shares of its common stock in exercise of warrants to purchase 1,641,118 shares. The Company received proceeds of $2,098,578 related to the exercise of the warrants.

    I may be reading this wrong, but it seems to me that they are issuing themselves shares, options, and warrants, exercising them and booking it as proceeds received under CF section from financing activities. Am I reading this wrong?

  • SouthernTrader

    Thanks scrillawill! IPG is breaking out nicely!!!! Im in for 100 shares!

  • Toh

    get in IPG

  • SouthernTrader

    Oh, Im sorry…In IPG at 6.39 for 100 shares!

  • jimmyiq

    If anyone has shorted a hard to borrow stock from thinkorswim, how much was the additional fee if there was one.

    The answer should be a dollar amount.

  • Chris

    If anyone sees some good overnight holds, let me know.

  • Chris

    BPAX may be one of those… up huge in AH from drug news, but it looks to be like AVNR

  • Toh

    thanks scrillawill for IPG!
    that’s a nice breakout!
    hopefully will get some short squeeze

  • jimmyiq

    anyone has shorted a hard to borrow stock from thinkorswim, how much was the additional fee if there was one.

    The answer should be a dollar amount.

  • http://mcbowler.com mcbowler

    made $650 more on CROX, which I think is a sell below $6.50.. but who knows. Made $190 on IPG, in 6.47 out 6.66 following http://www.covestor.com/mbr/scrillawill/blog/35028

  • scrillawill

    made 621 on IPG nice breakout its still moving but im not mad profit is profit

  • Chris

    scrilla i still think you are mad :)

  • Toh

    i am still holding to IPG for a while

  • SouthernTrader

    In IPG at 6.39…Out at 6.50

  • davy917

    Chris.. I realize what a short squeeze does to a stock, I am just wondering how you know whether an uptrend is a squeeze or something else.

  • ravimenta

    followed scrillawill for IPG made $500

  • http://www.jawaexpress.com enslavedbynumber

    TIM, I think TIM alert needs auto-refresh it allows us to turn on/off as auto-refresh might be disturbing for some… (nevermind if it’s already implemented). just suggestion

  • jchahboune

    ZAGG breaking out?

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    we had auto-refresh on the comments, people didnt like it

    jcd good find, yes, ZAGG is a sketchy mofo, financings and stock promoters galore…doesnt mean that double digits arent a possibility though

    jimmy, fees on hard to borrows are like $1-3…its irrelevent

  • TerranFirebat

    bought crox 6.77

  • Jon_Reed

    No shares of BPAX at TDAmeritrade. :(

  • scrillawill

    Chris its cheaper than where i sold at ;)

  • jimmyiq

    good luck with your question davy, people here don’t like to help other people when they ask questions

  • davy917

    damn you degens

  • TerranFirebat

    out crox 6.73 laame bought at the top!!

  • Chris

    Can you spot a short squeeze on chart? I can’t. At least, I can’t tell the difference between a chart thats uptrending from legit buyers and one thats uptrending from a squeeze. The only time I have an idea that one is happening is when I see a downtrending stock rebound fairly fast, then continue down.

  • BearNine

    Shorted ZOOM too early – down 200$.

  • Chris

    ZOOM was a good short in the morning. It seems to follow how the market is flowing, did that yesterday and today so far.

  • davy917

    since my subscription to this site my productivity at work has been downtrending… past 2 days it has tanked.

  • SouthernTrader

    Good one davy! I would have to agree…The first month that I was a member, I didnt take full advantage of this site and suffered a few losses! The second month, I have been following this site and my trades have improved, but my work has also suffered!!!

    Hey Tim, a friend of mine introduced me to you via PennyStocking…I have to say that I think that your ShortStocking dvd that I bought is much better and more informational! But I guess PennyStocking is an intro to doing this huh?

    Overall though, I have to say that your dvds deliver the goods! Thanks for making them!

  • davy917

    Tim can I have an IOU for your DVDs? I promise I’ll pay after I make money from your tactics… ;)

  • BearNine

    You should make your next DVD TimDiscipline

    how to cut losses
    not force trades
    make a trading plan
    etc…

  • jchahboune

    Next DVD:

    TImForex

    Now that would sell….

  • SouthernTrader

    I like that idea BearNine!

  • scrillawill

    CHINA droping

  • http://www.reapertrades.com Reaper

    lol The Dean is one of only 3 people selling their chirps on Superchirp: http://superchirp.com/_TheDean

  • bill

    can somebody wake up CHINA’s buyers/sellers? They’re sleeping…

  • http://www.reapertrades.com Reaper

    sorry, The Dean is one of 3 featured people, including Timmy.

  • davy917

    Have you seen the video of The Dean himself in that link Tim posted a few days ago? He sounded like a 5th grader doing a research report… scum

  • BearNine

    http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Zoom-Technologies-Inc-NASDAQ-ZOOM-1027190.html

    Interesting, the stock has to stay at at least 4 to be listed on the nasdaq after the merger, 4 is key on ZOOM, or atleast key for the owners.

  • jspmedia

    it is kinda boring, slow day…

  • BearNine

    the indexes are choppy

  • scrillawill

    CHINA LOD 2.68

  • davy917

    what is LOD?

  • parabol64

    LOD = Low Of the Day

  • jchahboune

    ZAGG failed to break its intraday high of 7.49. Its not gone red on the day with fading volume. If it takes out morning lows of 7.2, it will be a good short right?

    Thoughts anyone?

  • jimmyiq

    take a look at LNN for a short…….any thoughts

  • jchahboune

    *Its NOW gone red

    sorry for the typo

  • jchahboune

    I couldn’t get any shares of ZAGG!

  • jchahboune

    What a joke, just IB, it ahs 20, 000!

  • davy917

    Is the minimum for IB $10k?

  • jchahboune

    Yes to open an account, but if you are going to day trade you still need the 25k. The ZAGG thing pisses me off, it’s now at 6.70, I wanted to short on 7.20!

  • scotttmd

    zagg dropped

  • dannb

    zzzzz

  • tbohen

    I tried at $7.19 but didnt get filled till $7.04

    ALERT ON ZAGG WHEN LAST AT OR BELOW 7.19 is triggered BID=7.15 LAST=7.17 ASK=7.2

  • dannb

    davy, you might want to try the chat room at mibbit.com/#timalerts

  • tbohen

    Err not to be picky, but it was $7.06 to be exact 1/2 at $7.10 and 1/2 @ $7ish

  • Chris

    jimmyiq – LNN hasn’t shown any sideways action yet, and there is still a good deal of volume.

  • Toh

    bought 3500 NWD @ $0.16 and sold it at $0.20, made $120

  • scotttmd

    HOOK up 25% today before earnings on 14th. Like micro brews? Real company.

  • scotttmd

    Sorry misread… earnings were filed today, conference call on the 14th.

  • jimmyiq

    Good point Chris….I will wait

  • moose36

    Made sum quick bank on GFG… Still money to be made, volume is too high not to make money.

  • kash

    any comments for shorting SPDE going sideway

  • SouthernTrader

    Moose…are you shorting gfg?

  • SouthernTrader

    nevermind…stupid question! Do you think it will move higher?

  • jspmedia

    tbohen, nice entry for Zagg….missed that..stuck with Vion

  • tbohen

    Dangit Tim why did you leave the potheads and retards comment off of the timalerts post!! I laughed out loud!! :)

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    OUT $ZAGG +1000ish

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Ooops sorry about that long ass post, nasty cut and paste…

  • scotttmd

    I would love to see the potheads and retards comment.

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen
  • Chris

    GFG has turned into a nice short

  • jspmedia

    got out at zion…covered at $3.10 from $3.45..$500 profit..

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