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A Scary Perfect Short Into A Slumping Supernova

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Since its stock has quadrupled since the beginning of the year, readers of this blog know I’ve been stalking microcrap momentum play Converted Organics (COIN) and its warrants (COINW). Focusing solely on buying breakouts and shorting breakdowns, I’ve had some success and failure, my biggest gain stemming from shorting into its cracking of sideways price action back in January, my biggest loss coming from when I was squeezed out the day before after getting unlucky with some news. As many of you know, I make my money when these microcrappers crap out, so the lack of huge trading profits has not concerned me in the least. As long as I kept up with my stalking, I’d inevitably catch my prey.

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For the most part during this latest surge, I’ve remained on the sidelines—too scared to buy in—waiting for a similar breakdown to short into. Despite breaking its previous high of $14 with four straight up days to the high $16s, the breakout was hardfought and the volume decreased each day. Very bearish—particularly encouraging was a late afternoon fade on Thursday—but would it first go out with a bang? After all, the company had proven it knows how to pump its stock, timing PRs perfectly to squeeze the shorts.

On Friday, I awoke early to reserve shares just in case it was the reversal day. Thinkorswim had no shares of COIN, but I was able to reserve 300 shares of COINW. Sweet: lower priced and more volatile, just had to watch out for its nasty spread between the bid and ask (usually 25-40 cents).

At the market open, COIN and COINW tanked hard, each down $1+, okay, this was good, crack in the sideways price action—not perfect, but trading between $16.50 and $17, aka close enough, the momentum clearly cracked, the question was would it at least bounce first (I hate shorting into crashes due to the risk of bounces). Fortunately, the stocks did bounce, COINW nearly $2 from $10.50 to the unchanged mark at $12.50, but no more—a wall of sellers entered. Summary: Tank, bounce, no breakout, ideally I’d wait til the afternoon to short, but since the spread was so ridiculous, I had to get in early—so I shorted 300 shares at $12.35ish. Thinkorswim chat guy screwed up my executions a bit, but after some more chatting, it was all fixed within 5 minutes (no other firm would do that).

With the wall of sellers firmly in place when COIN was just up 20-30 cents on the day, the overall market plunging, no well timed PR and decreasing buying volume, the stock went from slightly positive to slightly negative on the day. Within minutes, I was up 75 cents/share on my short. Cool, I’d hold, stocks like these usually stayed slightly negative for hours or days before the big plunge. Unfortunately, I wasn’t comfortable just waiting. Since it was still only the late morning (not an afternoon fade) and COIN had bounced on each dip, I covered my 300 shares at $11.34, a nice quick $300 profit.

Buuuuuut, COIN was much less resilient than I expected and within an hour it began plunging past the early morning lows and COINW dropped to $10.30—damn an easy $1 I left on the table. Another hour and the plunge turned into panic, COINW was now at $9.30, down $2 since y cover and $3 on the day! As usual, I had a decent profit, but I left a lot on the table.

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Given the failure of the afternoon bounce, the weak close and confirmed first down day of the pattern, a Monday morning drop is likely, so I’d have re-shorted into the close if possible. But there weren’t any more shares available to short of either COIN or COINW—welcome to short selling microcrappers! Still not sure how much this collapses, at least short-term, it’s either the beginning of the end or a bump in the road, to be determined, doesn’t matter to me either way.

What I did right:

-Recognized the chart pattern as a Supernova, as detailed in PennyStocking

-Patiently waited, not shorting into a breakout until the weak price action really demanded it

What I did wrong:

-Shorted in the morning, making me uncomfortable, leading me to take quick profits
(gift and the curse, as morning turned out to be ideal time to short)

-Covered quickly (another gift and curse, my entry was unusually perfect so even with my quick cover, it was a solid trade/profit)

Posted in Hot Stocks, Impatience, Patterns To Short, Short Selling, Supernovas

  • Ty Beaches

    Nice trade, I would sure like to be able to feel more comfortable shorting..I’m a pretty good chart guy but the unlimited downside risk on shorting is tweaking that FEAR emotion and it’s almost impossible for me to leave a short position in place overnight… I will welcome any advice and want to learn – thanks for this blog. Ty

  • Brian D

    I hold shorts overnight, generally I play the “supernova” pattern and a few others that has decent profit over a few days. I’d say grow some balls, but I’m young and am a bit risky because I’m still working with under $25,000. I probably oversize a bit too much as well.

  • Oliver

    I have noticed those morning spikes quite often and to me they seem profitable. would you recommend to be on the long side for the first 20-30 min of the market open and take some small profits before taking on the short side?

  • timsykes

    as the pattern plays out, the shorts get more confident so while morning spikes are possible, they’re not as probable, now its the morning tank that is favored

  • puma

    anyone know if etrade has shares of COIN or COINW to short?

    and is there a similar play with COINZ?

  • COINZMASTER

    #1 LOOK AT THE TINY MARKET CAP IT IS STILL UNDERVALUED BY FAR!!!!!THE STOCK IS CHEAPER THAN SAY NOEC BASED ON FWD EPS#

  • lmsmith

    The morning Spike in coin- Always work!

  • lmsmith

    I spoke to soon!!!! Opps…

  • Stan

    cya later coin nice knowin ya… haha

  • john

    FYI. Scottrade has COIN to short.

  • lmsmith

    I hoped on board the Short Waggon- made out nice already…

  • Stan

    me too, but i want to hold onto this for days!

  • timsykes

    I can’t even speak right now, its ABSOLUTELY ridiculous that i wasn’t in COIN or COINW for the last $4! Patheticcccccccccccccc

  • Stan

    who wants to play limbo with a coin chart?

  • be-the-ball

    tim,

    I couldn’t get shares this AM at TOS or AMTD… oh well…

  • Stan

    hey tim- can u let us know when the gurus like gartman start reducing or completely letting go their holdings of coin?

  • timsykes

    who cares what gurus do, there’s no guru that can withstand the force of a SUPERNOVA!!!!!

  • Lisa

    gartman crook already sold half when it was 16s

  • Stan

    i was thinking that their large selling blocks will just force the stock lower and lower – haha thanks lisa

  • Matt

    Large blocks selling dropped COIN from $17 to $12 within the past two trading days. If you have listened to Gartman on fast money last Friday, he said ag play were overbought and will cool down a little bit. He also mentioned he will buy them back when everybody start puking on their shoes probably by mid week this week. That means, probably COIN will fall down to $11.50 -$12 before they starts buying again? Maybe, maybe not! Anyway, at 11AM COIN is flirting around $12.50-$12.80 range.

  • 123

    is it still worth it to get into coin for another 0.50 to 1.00 gain from shorting or should we wait to but back when it flatlines……

  • http://jcutz5000@aol.com The Barber

    HEY TIM I NOTICED THAT YOU POSTED SOMEONE HAD A 11000 GAIN ON FRIDAY…. WELL NOW ITS @ 23000…. OH AND HOW R U CORN Z MASTER? YOUR MONEY FEELS NICE IN MY ACCOUNT..HA HA.. AND STILL HOLDING!!!! MORE MONEY TO BE MADE….

  • http://jcutz5000@aol.com The Barber

    THANX TO ALL THE LONGS WHO BOUGHT NEAR THE TOP… AND AS IT FELL, JUST COULDNT TAKE ANYMORE PAIN AND SOLD INTO TODAY… THANX GUYS YOUR THE BEST!! OH AND TIM IM GETTING THOSE PICTURES OF THE FACILITY UP IN BOSTON STILL WANT THEM? IT MIGHT BE A GOOD STORY..LOL

  • lmsmith

    <~~~ Live in Boston- the facility is a joke

  • timsykes

    see my post above, no point in trying to pick a bottom in COIN, kinda like trying to pick a bottom finance, both are so screwed for the time being, best to just wait it out, for those who like risk, keep a short bias

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  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Fuck, I’m sitting here, I HATE BUYING…

  • be the ball

    yeah, i don’t buy with tim either. track record not nearly as good :-)

  • be the ball

    BTW, this alert came 7 to 8 minutes after it last traded 8.76. What’s up with that, never seen that long a delay before?

  • be the ball

    this alert came= I meant the timestamp on the post

  • rajuthan

    Bought 350 at $8.92 Sold at $9.10
    Profit $63

  • ehrof

    bought at 9.10 faaack

  • traderjoe7

    in 600 @ 8.90

  • bassman52

    500 MAPP @ 8.99

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    had some internet trouble, u guys need to learn to anticipate, my 8.76 buy sucked, u all shouldve been watching to buy the minute it upticked past 8.63, perfect breakouts of morning resistance

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    why would u buy at 9.10, if its that late, wait until it proves it can take out the day high, otherwise its too risky

  • Jay-Z

    500 @ 8.95

  • be the ball

    agree on both points. I was not watching this one today but your buy was a tad late and buying on the alert way too late…would wait for day high for a late day runner

  • bassman52

    200 MAPP added at 8.92

  • Scott W

    Got in and out for a quick $50. I’m too nervous to hold this any longer.

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Whew glad i stayed away from JVA I think I’m going to add coffee related stocks to my untouchable list…

  • http://www.quarterstudios.net sebarich76

    buy 100 at 8.80

  • ehrof

    good think i didn’t buy many shares then.

    I have a hard time getting into the alerts on time – I had my original limit at 8.88

  • oqsoundo

    How do you anticipate MAPP when MAPP was not in any of Tim’s morning watch lists? It was like ETC.

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    oqsoundo, u anticipate by learning the patterns i trade, how the hell am i gonna put a stock in my watchlist when the thing hasnt announced the news yet?

  • traderjoe7

    this MAPP is acting crazy …isnt it too “CHOPPY” tim ????

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    here oqsoundo: http://www.test.timothysykes.com/store

    this EXACT pattern is in pennystocking part deux

  • adamandco

    anyone who missed it could have bought that lighting fast dip, back up to 8.96 now..

  • http://www.test.timothysykes.com timothysykes

    MAPP is choppy, but the overall trend is intact as long as it holds 8.60

  • raven

    All u who didn’t get in can now get in at Tim’s price.

  • adamandco

    there it goes again, but holding so far…

  • ehrof

    averaged down to 8.86 on 500 shares.

  • Liam

    I know this isn’t related to this stock, but I just wanted to know what y’all think of COT.

    COT has been breaking new highs everyday, and is up more than 800% or so from it’s 52 week low. It’s now near $5.50

    should I sell? Or should I hold until it breaks resistance?

  • mrisinger

    Price action was too rich for my blood. Exited 600 share position at 3 cent loss.

  • raven

    Nice Trade… In at 8.74, out at 8.95…$400 profit in 8 minutes.

  • indianolajohn

    guess were staying in overnight

  • mc.2004

    I bought 1000 shares of MAPP @ 8.90

  • avoigt_2000

    OXGN lod

  • traderjoe7

    out 9.00 for + 135 profit In again at 8.90

  • mrisinger

    tough to find shares of OXGN…

  • mrisinger

    ah come on people, we’re not here to scalp, lol

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    +$661.03 on OXGN, you fucker Reaper you scared me out of holding that whore overnight, if it tanks I’m gonna pull that cloak over your head and pants your ass!!

  • oqsoundo

    Is not the pattern that I’m concerned about Tim…

    Is about how do you locate stocks in play during a trading day even though they weren’t on your watchlists in the first place? How do you get alerted?

  • Proud Cloud

    I had shares reserved for oxgn and Reaper scared me too…lol.

  • mrisinger

    Why the hell do you need it on the watch list for a BUY order?

  • Scott W

    oqsoundo – He shows all of this on his TIM Fundamentals dvd.

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Of course, I can’t have it both ways, if it spikes I’ll tell everyone what a handsome and generous gentleman you are.

  • ehrof

    this stock is jumpy!

  • traderjoe7

    another + 175 Out 9.20

  • oqsoundo

    Scott W – that’s what I figured. I’m just confused on the watchlist’s function and how best to use it. Does Tim go over this in Fundamentals as well?

  • Ostifari

    I don’t know how I feel about holding this Pharma company overnight. You can sell right now, at the days high, and sleep easy tonight. Tons of resistance at $9.25…

  • ehrof

    oqsoundo – someone in one of the threads mentioned it.

    I’m scared to hold it too long and want to lock in my profits. I know TIm selling this will kill my profits!

  • bassman52

    Go Ahead TIm good call so far on MAPP!!!

  • http://www.goodevalue.com Reaper

    lol tbohen. No reason for you to play by my rules. Only I need to.

  • bassman52

    resistance at 9.25 i think

  • Tradeurbator

    800 in @ 8.83, 800 out @ 9.23, +320

    Thanks! Didn’t want to stay long o/n

  • bassman52

    MAPP out at 9.20 with 166 profit

  • nifri

    In 3k MAPP @ 9.21. The big 10k sell block at 9.25 vanished. Will hold overnight if it holds 9.20.

  • ehrof

    Sold at $9.25 for approx $170 after commissions.

  • http://www.kabam.com tbohen

    Oh jeez Reaper this is trading you always have to have someone to blame!!! That way no matter what happens its not my fault!! :)

  • bp

    Anyone else here frustrated with TOS charts? They have been real bad lately, and it always seems to be at the open or other high volume times.

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