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Why I Learned More From Losing $700k Than I Did From Making $2 Million aka Ask Me Anything!

Posted by Timothy Sykes on Tue 27th of Nov, 2007 11:45:30 AM

Guys, I’m getting all these emails from you saying “is it okay to ask” or “if it’s not too painful, can you tell me…”. My answer is yes, ask away–no detail is too minute or question too stupid (trust me, many of my greatest fans seem to be braindead)!

Listen, after nearly a decade of hardcore trading, an incredibly surreal experience as a reality TV star and my ever growing determination to make finance completely understandable and transparent, I’m o

nly too happy to answer any and all questions you may have–specific trades, position sizes, dollar gains and losses, strategies, whatever your little heart desires. I ask only that you post your questions on my website’s forum so everyone can see the Q&A and ideally input their opinions, too.

As you’ll discover, what’s most interesting about my journey is that the vast majority of my most valuable experiences stem from the mistakes I’ve made along the way and the losses I’ve endured, not the $2+ million in gains. Sure, the gains taught me a great deal (and they were hella fun!), but my losses have made me a better and wiser person, aka much more important in the long run. This is why I’m so hellbent on showcasing and detailing my losses for everyone to see!

Contrary to popular belief, losses and failure are not the end of the world (as long as you’re still in the game, aka why I never use leverage, aka risk disaster), but rather necessary steps we must take if we are to learn the skills that will take us to the next level. It would’ve been nice if I could’ve gone from $12k to $2 million to $20 million to $200 million, but that’s not the way trading (especially with smallcaps) works (after all, you’re not building a scalable business, you’re taking it one trade at a time). Think of it like Candyland, three steps forward, one step back.

This isn’t some BS I’m using to help myself feel better about my losses, it’s simply investment reality. To better understand the markets, we must not only better understand our successes, but our failures too. After all, unlike every other profession, sport, hobby, activity known to man, finance is full of BS–people, companies, theories, you name it. Nobody knows what’s going to happen next, some are just more confident in their views (whether it’s based on experience, BS or naivety) and that confidence sometimes wins over others. Get enough people to side with you and you’ve got a self-fulfilling prophecy (as detailed in my DVD )

Understand this: there is no one right way to profit just as there is no one wrong way either. Fundamental analysts can hate technical analysts all they want, and vice versa, but that doesn’t mean you should ignore what either has to say. Value investors can despise traders (as I learned only too well while trying to get my book reviewed) and vice versa, but both viewpoints are important pieces to the overall puzzle. Long story short, we must get past our preconceived notions and remain open to what everyone has to say. And, in time, those with superior track records will be the most useful and noteworthy.

And this brings me full circle to why we need TOTAL TRANSPARENCY.

Without knowing EXACTLY what somebody has made or lost on a trade, in their fund, day after day, year after year–their word is utterly useless. Forget about just monthly and yearly % returns, we need to know how much $ did they risk, how much leverage did they use, how long did they hold their positions, etc.

Even though I despise stock picking, I understand people will always be addicted to it because it’s like a drug. Reality is difficult, stock picking eases the pain and offers an easy way out. Despicable! Rather than rely on someone else (who can be influenced by any number of things–mortgages, alimony, gambling, alcohol, or drug addiction, etc–none of which they’ll tell you about), why not bite the bullet and learn about the process behind successful financial speculation and the strategies entailed (what I’m trying to teach you!). It’ll be incredibly difficult at first, but you’ll be much better off down the road. As in teach you to fish…

But I know most of you are too lazy so if you do choose the evil that is stock picking, be sure to require all the detals, not just entry and exit points, but the exact times, the trading volume (a trick most penny stock pickers love to use (due to the illiquidity of the marketplace) since it’d be utterly impossible to get in at the point which they claimed to have picked the stock!), how much $ they made, their technical and fundamental reasons for their pick, etc. If they’re not willing to tell you ALL the details, then they’re hiding something and you can’t trust them.

This is why I know TimothySykes.com and my business model will be a success–I’ve got nothing to hide and it feels great!

Sykes out.

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  • just gonna be in vancouver for an hour or two, sorry, next time...on a brighter note, u guys should be on the lookout for BESN, i'll have a detailed post later tonight
  • Getshorty
    Tim, so, when you arriving to Vancouver?
    I need you to re-autograph my book!!!
    And if you got a couple of hours I can show you around, Vancouver has awesome views (also great restaurant but the most I have spent is $ 150 a meal, as a Full time student - trader wanna be I anin
  • Getshorty
    I have been raping the basic principle of don't force a trade, don't force a trade, don;t force a trade.
  • Getshorty
    WHY TIM MAKES MONEY AND I DON'T: THE WRONG OF MY WAYS

    To whomever this may help (starting by me)

    Have been reviewing Tim's successful (all -1) alerts and think I am finally getting a hold of the wrongs of my ways.

    I have been obsessing with Candlestick charting and trying to feet stocks came up in volatility filters and sudden spikes to this patterns looking for reversal. Therefore, I have been overtrading and overstressing and getting pain in exchange.

    Over the weekend I am holding 500 shares short of STAA, Why? Because after an, according to me, big spike from 4.60 to 5.60 (wow , 20%) it was followed by a bearish engulfing pattern and hasn't reversed it yet. So far I am almost where I started on Wednesday with theis position.

    Does that means that candlestick analysis doesn't work? No, I believe it does work and can help to spot the breakdowns, and it gives you a more than 50% chance that the reversal occurs, however, in the textbook of candlesticks, the author means clear that reversal does not mean reversal of the trend, but it is a pause in the trend, and after this pause, it is still to determine if the trend will resume or will go back on the opossite direction.

    Also, success of Tim's method consists not only in the fact that he is more than 50% right (way more than 50% judging for the alerts) but in the fact that each time that he is right he is right big, and when he misses, he misses small.

    Similar Thing happened to me With GPIC, holding short for some days and just fooling around.

    If following Tim's methods strictly, I should never have entered this positions in the first place since they are not up enough, and, in the case of STAA before the spike it has a strong trnd in place.

    So starting on Monday, I'll close my existing positions and sit and wait for a freaking supernova, not for whatever spike appears and then looking for reversal signals.
  • Getshorty
    Isn't RHD a cup and handle Breakout???

    Bought 1000 shares at 2.64 when it cut like butter the 2.61 resistance, then grab another k at 2.75, saw it goin without rest to its 2.84 high. THen hell it pulled back but never crossed the 2.61 support (would have dumped it then).

    It looked so real since it accelerated like hell when it crossed resistance. SOld 1700 shares at 2.72 and 2.70 almost breaking even, holding 300 shy shares expecting continuation of the cup and handle, but I didn't feel like holding the whole bag for the weekend.
  • eric_S
    Shorty- I'm retarded; and it is cool that retarded folks are allowed to post here. I just meant that I didn't see an opportunity to buy below six at the time that I posted.

    Speaking of retarded- has anyone looked at the spread on MITI?
  • kaim2196
    so, what do you guys have in mind for monday?
  • Getshorty
    Gunz, you really have a poor concept of me in order to think I'll believe the Goog shit... .... :=(
  • Getshorty
    "Shorty - that bitch never parted with any NABI below 6.00" What you mean?

    Gunz, of course I didn't buy the Google BS, it actually turned me down on how primitive the hype is for this company.
  • Getshorty
    Nabi closed strong, hope it makes the trick on Monday

    Stilll long 300 shares on RHD, Initially had 2000 but don't want to take that bag home for the weekend
  • eric_S
    MITI is just looking funny after the bell.

    Nice $234 day. Hope that you all did well.

    Enjoy the weekend you shameless scoundrels.
  • YoungGunz
    if someone at google knows about the deal they've also been told that it would be against the law to tell anyone. if not then the person if full of shit and most likely isn't working in a position that would have any knowledge of what google is buying or selling
  • eric_S
    Shorty - that bitch never parted with any NABI below 6.00.

    Got a taker on MITI @ 7.28 though I think that I should have held onto a little.
  • Getshorty
    In NABI with 200 shares at6.01 (kind of shy, been hurt lately)
  • Getshorty
    May Join Slayer into the close if it breaks 6.00, now is pulling down a little, nothing scary though.
  • Getshorty
    looks good slayer. You know why its up? You think there is some hype coming on the weekend?

    Is it my allergy pill combined with three coffees or is RHD a perfect Cup and Handle.
  • Slayer
    Bought 500 shares of NABI @ 5.99
  • Getshorty
    So much for the short squeeze on MITI, this thing may fall today, trying to take the 43 k buy order at 7.10

    SOme guy syaing in google discussions that goog is going to buy RDH "Because he has a friend that works at google and has told him so"
  • eric_S
    Was looking for 7.32-34 but don't think it will get there. Just I'll get taken @ 7.28 in a minute.
  • kaim2196
    which trading broker are you using to short MITI?
  • adairjm
    Those are just low volume trades. Just noise. Real support is around 7.10 Only resistance I can make out is 7.40. Probably close somewhere within that range.
  • eric_S
    MITI just taken out at 7.22
  • Getshorty
    Looks like a Frriday afternoon short squeeze on the make
  • Getshorty
    I have reserved shares of MITI, but don't looks good to short now
  • YoungGunz
    man nothing is playing out today.
  • adairjm
    There goes MITI like clockwork..(at least with the last few days)

    Hopefully it'll push back to 7.40 range and spike big on Monday.

    2000 shares reserved just in case
  • Getshorty
    RHD looks like a perfect cup an dandle bottom
  • eric_S
    There goes MITI. Buying seems to be continuing.
  • bestdeception
    Man, I can't short MITI or FOUR. Wish I could, but can't find any shares. Anyone see any afternoon fades coming?
  • kaim2196
    thanks for the response, sweeney. you can call me "Kai". So no one here can declare with an emphatic "NO" to a bad trade?? I've noticed that Tim is very disciplined. 2% gains every day is pretty goddamn good, much better than gaining a 50% gain from a stock in 3 months..
  • eric_S
    Do you see MITI's support level around 7.15-20? It might be worth grabbing 800 @ 7.17 and watching CLOSELY.
  • There you go adairjm, i'm with you on that
  • Getshorty
    RHD CUp and handle?
  • Getshorty
    You may be right on this one, maybe a friday afternoon short squeeze.
  • adairjm
    I agree. I used to lose a lot of money until my first rule became preservation of capital. Now every trade I enter I'm ready to sell right away.
  • eric_S
    sorry 0.23 on XJT
  • eric_S
    In FRE at 2.96 out at 3.04 - No rhyme of reason for that play. I just want action after missing the airlines today.

    My friend just called and told me that he put in an order at noon for (XJT) 10000 @ 23.00 - Does anyone have any experience with this stock or see any REAL upside potential? Is it just another boring petty POS?
  • nah Kaim... there's never a guarantee... I'm just referring to sticking to your strategy at all costs... discipline being the toughest quality yet most valuable for a trader to posses in my opinion. Trust me, I got lucky on many of my trades... and not so lucky on many others.

    Just look at Tim's discipline. He pulls out early often... but his strategy drastically reduces losses opposed to someone who holds longer.
  • kaim2196
    I really admire the types who can predict market directions. I'm not at the point where I can at least feel confident about a "definite NO" in terms of my stock picks. Sounds like you know what you are doing, sweeney. good job.
  • adairjm
    If MITI holds true to the pattern the last couple of days, it won't knock on 7.10 to the downside and slowly trend up to the close.

    Same thing happened yesterday when I shorted it...

    Setting up for a good short next week...IMHO
  • Getshorty
    HDLM, First down day?
  • Getshorty
    Order is for 47 400 after starting at over 100 000 shares, keep on biting
  • Getshorty
    Now that wall is getting eaten .....
  • Absolutely kaim... the agony of losing more than half of your life savings at age 20 really kicks your @$$! But every time I realized a loss on a trade... I learned something only the market could teach me first hand.

    There is no room to be a random stock picker if you plan on a net profitable lifetime, period.
  • eric_S
    SNMX is completely out of play. I'm about to long a little FRE - it is pretty hard to fall out of a ditch and we may have seen the lowest level this morning that we'll ever see. Shit- I'll go in w/o a stop.
  • Getshorty
    That 100 000 shares buy order at $7.10 is what is holding the price, been there since early morning
  • Getshorty
    MITI heading to take opening price
  • YoungGunz
    I am not in SNMX i have it reserved waiting for it to crack 4.41...The volume is dry as dirt now though. Not liking it as much anymore.


    Timmay where's the video posts with your flip camera or whatever it is you have.
  • kaim2196
    EH. Playing the stock market as a newbie is a dangerous game! It's gonna be about time when I buy Tim's DVD tutorial!
  • kaim2196
    interesting, Sweeney. So you consider all that money you lost as fees for "education", as a means of investment?
  • kaim2196
    when should we expect snmx to drop then and under what conditions?
  • @Redwjamz that's rough... stay in the game though, above all else. I started with 34K and went all in on what was "supposed to be a sure thing" FDA approval. My whole net account dropped to 13K overnight. My account then dropped to 8K after more trades gone bad... within 2 years, that original 34k dropped to 8k and is now worth over 50k...

    Lesson: You gotta stay in the game... consider your losses to be the tuition of an education that can pay you for the rest of your life.

    @Getshorty I only hold 2 positions at most
  • Getshorty
    Thanks Redwjamz, it helps
  • prognesubis
    Young, SNMX chart doees not look ready to drop.
  • bestdeception
    be careful w/ SNMX. Too low of volume to mess w/ it IMO.
  • kaim2196
    Ahh.. youngunz.. what did you buy SNMX at? I bought it at 4.45... I'm still new to this thing.
  • bestdeception
    no one on irc today??
  • sorry for the typo, drunk in japan, just had an aawesome $500 meal, lots of sake, girlfriend mad at me, but i cant feel anything
  • mrlloydum
    right after morning spike
  • taxwise1
    what is the best entry pt into MITI?
  • taxwise1
    I've got 400 MITI shares reserved to short-just waiting
  • YoungGunz
    i have snmx reserved. waiting for it to crack 4.41.
  • redwjamz
    I lost 30k in my first year in the market(Aug07-08). I've made about 1000 trades tried every friggen strategy and have come to a few conclusions. Buy and hold is not for me, maybe if I was 20 or 25 it would be because 20% a year compounding would get you alot by 35. But I'm 32 and I'm trying to get Tim'esque returns, 20% a year isnt going to cut it. Went from 16k to 7k to 15k trading options when I was with Scottrade(who sucks by the way). Started a few months ago with IB with the minimum 10k and tried to mimic a "system" I had been developing, which really did not work out because all the stocks were commodities ended up going down to 5.5k, I sold half my holdings a few days ago and am now just in DGP and GG. The rest I'm going to use for TIMAlerts. I felt alot better being in just a few stocks, too hard for me to manage a lot of stocks, I have a short memory and cant multitask well so I'm going to stick to probably a max of 2 stocks with the "Pennystock" strats...didnt get the DVD at discount wish I would have so I'm just trying to learn by these forums and that Shannon Tech analysis book I ordered. I would say the strats TIM implements for the lowerish capital are dam near maximum, if you have more capital, I dunno like a mil or some shit, then if you know how to play sector swings you can make alot...like diversify short gold/long fincials a few weeks ago, thats if you can predict...I dont think I even answered your question shorty =)

    MITI looks like it's gonna drop below Open stairstep break?
  • Getshorty
    Awesome job sweeney, no matter where MITI goes from now, you made a solid trade.

    Going back to my overtrading habits, can you guys tell me how many positions you have open at any given time? I had 6 this morning and I KNOW it was too much.
  • kaim2196
    any of you shorting smnx?
  • Ross
    Good Job Sweeny
  • Thanks red, I sold 2000 @ 7.50 too hard to pick a top in this game
  • redwjamz
    nice profit sweeney, when you thinking of selling?
  • Wes
    Not long RHD....have some reserved. Hopefully it keeps at this rate all morning and then slide into a fade for the afternoon.
  • Getshorty
    Anybody long RHD?
  • I'm still long MITI 4000 @5.50... might have to ditch some of this bull today
  • TheParadox
    9wannabes
  • Getshorty
    Of course it is time to reserve miti, not time to short it yet
  • Getshorty
    And there it goes RHD !!
  • prognesubis
    Does any body think it is time to reserve shares of MITI?
  • Getshorty
    RHD looking like a clear breakout
  • Getshorty
    RHD just broke 2.60 on its way up
  • mrlloydum
    don't see anyone but bestD at #9wannabes
  • bestdeception
    no one's there but me and mrlloyd righ tnow young
  • YoungGunz
    yeah we're still there
  • bestdeception
    where is everyone today??
  • mrlloydum
    are we going to #9wannabes? I'll check & see if anyone there
  • Getshorty
    NIce, 40 cents up already.. I mean 30...no no... 40....that thing is moving
  • Ross
    Pre-Market is already up to 15.89 so you made some money before the market even opened. Nice!!
  • bigjimstradingpost
    $15.43
  • Getshorty
    How much did you pay for LEH?
  • bigjimstradingpost
    Picked up some LEH premarket...Buyout rumors should spike it on the open..
  • either
  • KetchupThief
    Is it a buy or a short? Or could it be either?
  • Scalping is when you get in and out of a stock typically within minutes... looking to pick up a quick .02 - .40 per share.
  • Jake
    Tim is going to Vancouver? Or did I miss something? I too would like to know, so I can meet him.
  • KetchupThief
    What does this "scalp" term mean?
  • The USS is a typo... same subject heading was used in a 7/30 alert, word for word.
  • Getshorty
    PDRT has only runned 2 days and ended upe green yesterday, don't get what's to short, let it spike, then consider short
  • notesguy88
    anybody going short with PDRT?
  • bat711
    I think he means this morning local Japanese time.
  • notesguy88
    you can add chatzilla as an addon to firefox, maybe that could work.
  • Ross
    Mornin
  • bigjimstradingpost
    What's going to happen with FRE today with the B-Man getting ready to speak???
  • Getshorty
    HDLM looks as it can keep on running, then a squeeze, then short time, hope it materializes
  • Getshorty
    Yes Tim, what is that USS all about? Looks like a typo

    You mention people ask you about GBN, I guess thats cause some people is looking at the shape of the chart...... But not the scale !!!! It looks like a little breakout of 2.65 resistance, closing at its high of 2.70. thing is the whoe thing just moved 25 cent. It seems a tiny version of a breakout but irrelevant given its constrained range.
    I have made that type of mistakes in the past.

    On other note, what's your schedule in Vancouver? If you got some time after the wedding, I can show you around, or at least meet you and get my book re-signed with a dedicatory. Let me know.
  • lamecoder
    I don't use firefox, but there is a plugin for it that will let you join, maybe that is an option?
  • bigjimstradingpost
    No mibbit from work...security protocol blocks that site..
  • YoungGunz
    I started it if you want to join.
  • lamecoder
    We could start in the same one: #9wannabes
    ?
  • bigjimstradingpost
    Where we IRC'n today?
  • YoungGunz
    you scalped uss this morning? that a misprint in your email subject?
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