TwitterFacebookYouTube

Why I’d Rather Lose a Limb Than Play the Earnings Guessing Game

Posted by Timothy Sykes on Thu 18th of Oct, 2007 06:07:00 PM

Yup, you read that correctly. Playing the earnings guessing game is a time honored tradition on Wall Street where the best and the brightest, along with the worst and the dumbest, try to pull together all the recent economic data, industry news, upgrades and downgrades, channel checks, etc. in an attempt to somehow profit from the upcoming earnings season. Some are guided by algorithms, analyst

s, or interns while others try to get their hands on insider information, while most just dig through too many files and put in too many hours of research trying to find the answer to that one burning question: will the company beat, match or miss expectations?

Over the next few weeks, you’ll be innundated with articles by so-called experts and talking heads galore as they explain the various methods they’ve used to draw their conclusions and many of you will act upon their advice. Some of you will make money, excited to come out on top while others will lose, cursing outloud at your need to gamble at all.

After this post, you won’t hear me talking about this subject again because I’d rather lose a limb than play the earnings guessing game.

While losing a limb would certainly be painful and life altering, it’d be over quickly (ideally) and I could then move on to seek out the best doctors and prosthetics to handle this tragic turn of events. But it’d still be better than trying to guess earnings because the earnings guessing game never ends, it just keeps going and going…repeating quarterly. No matter who’s right or wrong this time around, they’ll probably be wrong or right next quarter or the quarter after so everybody goes around and around and there is no end in sight. Sure, there’s money to be made and lost, but the game never ends. The only way out is to go cold turkey and not participate at all. And that is my choice. I’m pro-choice.

Don’t get me wrong, I look forward to earnings season, I just view it differently than most. You see over the past decade, I’ve found the chances of success increase dramatically if I sit back and let all the guessing play out–avoiding taking sides, one way or the other. The key is to buy the biggest earnings winners and short sell the biggest earnings losers early in the day–watch out for opening spikes–after earnings. Sure, you give up the overnight and pre-market moves, but you take away a lot of the risk involved. For smallcaps in particular, this is a very simple strategy that has worked extremely well for me–but definitely not all the time–because Wall Street is slow to react as everybody is too busy rethinking the bias they created while they were playing the Wall Street earnings guessing game!

Sounds too good to be true, right? Take look at the charts below:

LOGI (big earnings gainer)

PLCM (big earnings gainer)

TGIC (big earnings loser)

AVCI (big earnings loser)

As you can see the intraday price action isn’t very volatile, but the earnings report from the night before–good or bad–sets a clear trend, a trend that usually lasts for one or two days, sometimes even weeks.

Disclosure: Timothy Sykes has no positions and these stocks are smallcaps so they’re risky blah blah blah

Share this post:
  • Twitter
  • Facebook
  • StumbleUpon
  • HackerNews
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Technorati
  • Yahoo! Buzz
  • Google Bookmarks
  • smkiller
    SYUT,GAIN ?
  • Chevy63
    Hey Tim,
    I have your monthly Tim Alerts for the month of June 2009. I want to no how I can add the yearly Tim Alerts Subscriber.
  • because i didnt trade today!
  • Iceman
    Hi Tim,

    Why didn't I get any alerts today?
  • davidro69
    EYSM might be worth something in the future
  • wphelps
    anpi up about 60% on old news, possible short
  • Contango
    shorted 200 HEB up after commissions $174.16 in about 30 minutes..not bad for a days work..Thanks Tim I'm outta here ;-)
  • hissyfit1
    Tim I just wanted to let you know that I think last friday's LiveStock was the best ever! You were more focused and direct.
    Thanks!
    Tom
  • jason777
    Hi tim, i'm a member, however i didn't see the alerts for ANPI or OCLS. please let me know how come i'm only seeing some items. thank you! -Jason
  • vorourke
    great watchlist. I made 2 points on 1000 shares of MAPP, $8.80 to $10.80. Also short 2000 SEED at $4.65, prob should have covered.

    vince
  • dannb
    Hey Tim, Im intrested in your upcoming live coaching event. As long as I can remember Ive always wanted to trade stocks. But until I found this amazing stradegy, nothing seemed fundamentally logical about trading stocks. It all seemed to be a mystery.
    Now that Ive found a system that I truly believe can provide a path to financial prosperity, Im determined to learn as much as possible from you. I just started trading, but I plan on reinvesting some of my profits in more of your educational materal.
    Please let me know whats available reguarding the coaching event.

    Thanks,
    Dan
  • dannb
    Hey Tim, Im really intrested in attending your live coaching event. Ever since I can remember, Ive always wanted to trade stocks. But prior to learning about you and your style of trading, nothing seemed fundamentally logical enough to make me feel comfortable risking my money.
    Now that ive found this system, I finally feel like I actually have a legatimate chance to make some serious money.
  • mc.2004
    Guys, what's going on with ETC? Are any of you guys getting into it? Or is it just a waiting game at this point?
  • bill
    where is today's watchlist?
  • anuudnug
    Thanks Tim,

    Made 250$ profit on COIN,
    Made 277$ profit on BCRX(shorted@ 4.21, covered $4.00)

    Thanks
    udnug
  • BuckeyeTrader82
    i saw your last nights email how you covered SVA because you thought their would be short squeeze and bought SVA @ 2.50 this morning and just sold @ 2.80 netting $310 gain
  • i see your comment thanks!
  • unixx11
    why is my comment not getting posted
  • unixx11
    Tim I just donated $197 for a good cause........You, good work
    also I think we share Birthdays April 19th, so you like me are an eccentric Genius.
  • i try not to go beyond 30-40% of my assets per play and not more than 5% of daily trading volume...no exact rules, its just what u're comfortable with
  • XAngelX
    Tim can I ask you something ? should I buy more than 5000$ a time on a penny stock ? will it affect the stock price ?
  • amolsid
    Last week - Shorted XTNT +$242 profit and shorted HIMX +$40. Thanks Tim.
    -AS
  • artificialwings
    tim does registering with timalerts not allow me to post on the forum?
  • Sammy
    Down $280 and counting. I shorted 500 @ 6.10. I was feeling comfortable in leaving the house because "it doesn’t look like it can go positive on the day, so this is a good low risk entry to short…aiming for afternoon fade and morning panic,".

    I was at the store when the covered alert went out. Tomorrow morning will be gut-wrenching. Chalk up another lesson learned. - Sammy
  • funpools
    Hey Tim,

    just finished your book you can imagine I am a exicted rookie. I am interested to do the next step getting DVD education. I am not up buying the entire set at this time. Planning to learn step by step. Considering the current market situation what DVD you would recommend for a good start up.
  • Steven
    bought 2000 LZR @ 8.20
  • jsdr23
    good morning all, this is my 1st day, im only starting with $500.00 any stocks i should start with?
  • mcaci
    i need a brokerage recommendation. i saw tim's message about one last week but lost it.
  • remsall
    yes u can
    only one pb
    iphone receive email every 15 mns and your iphone have to be on all the time (sleeping time dont work)
  • timalertz24
    Hi all,

    New member here, Scottrade will not allow me to short sell some stocks under $5, what is the solution to this.

    Thanks again,
  • steve33
    TIM. My account is up over 29% in a little over 3 weeks since subscribing to TimAlerts and also getting book and DVD's. THANX !!!!!! Steve K
  • "37 justin

    July 23rd, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Tim, you should make a chat room in here so you can let us know whats going on while your trading.


    38 timothysykes

    July 24th, 2008 at 8:00 am

    there will be no chatroom, too many liability issues, dont worry we have somethin in store thats gonna blow your mind"
  • mwkrainock. check your spam mail, for some reason it gets sent there on mine.
  • mwkrainock. check your spam mail, for some reason it get sent their on mine.
  • greedyman
    OK—Im a newbee to this trading with short selling. I ordered Tim’s DVD set but Im anxious to get started(U c Tim I wasn’t a cheap FKR—LOL). Any quick tips from anyone. I’ve tried absorbing the concept of what seems to be buy high/sell low—Doesn’t make sense to me. So Im all ears for anyone/any tips.

    PS. As for my user name Greedyman—I don’t know why I picked it, but I guess in my deep psych I am greedy about making money—LOL—Hope its not an omen that clouts my judgment.

    Ok—enjoy and hope everyone succeeds

    Supporters of Greed:

    Greed is all right, by the way I think greed is healthy. You can be greedy and still feel good about yourself
    Ivan F Boesky

    Be glad that you're greedy; the national economy would collapse if you weren't.
    Mignon Mclaughlin
  • Getshorty
    So... APII anybody? It will get hard to execute a sale after it breaks down $2.00, will be competing with a sea of stop orders.
  • haha its all 1 big list, if u get the morning email, u get the trade alerts, check spam,,,were working on better email solution, should be up next month
  • nrsudhir
    I am getting only the morning watchlist in my email. I am not getting any of the other alerts. Is it a problem with my settings.
  • Reaper
    PLEASE TIM! Delete comments on this page so it loads faster! There is no point in having comments on this page anyway.
  • mwkrainock
    I'm not getting timalerts in my email either, I can get it to my phone if I can get it to mey email
  • Cashiuus
    Depending on who you have, you can set a rule in Outlook to forward any mail w/ subject TIMalert in it to your phone as a text message. I use verizon, so for me, I can fwd to ########@vtext.com and it shows up as a txt message. The problem is only 160 characters come through, but it's still enough to show the subject (for an actual alert). Look up txting on your provider's site to see if they have an address setup for txting or not.

    Now, if you also want the morning watchlist then yer screwed, way too much txt for mobile, go get data. As for me, I'm not gettin data until verizon stops charging 2 diff. fees for regular phones and smartphones. As long as Tim keeps putting the ticker and buy/short in the subject it fits into the txt message.
  • mwkrainock
    what's the best way to get a timalert to my mobile, anybody's help appreciated
  • bizcboy13
    NOVB a pump and maybe a dump??
  • Stockshark
    Im concerned over the light volume... otherwise its in a sector (building supplies etc) that could easily see more downside. Q2 sales down from Q2,2007. Whats your take Tim? Looking like it might be setting up well????
  • Stockshark
    What do people think of (NYSE: TWP) Trex Co. as a possible short position?
  • pulcec
    Where on earth is he cancellation form for TIMALERTS?
  • haha nope, just trading my own $, not getting into all the regulatory crap with OPM
  • batt88
    Hi Tim....I've got a proposition for you. Please not intended to pi** you off. I'am ready to put money up front to start your 2nd account, specifically for longs. Amount not a problem "carte blanche". Let me know how this sits with you.
  • taxwise1
    Bought TGC @1.88 earlier today in my Roth IRA. Maybe a short squeeze here at end of the day. Now going up close to $2.00
  • justin
    Tim, you should make a chat room in here so you can let us know whats going on while your trading.
  • TheParadox
    MKTY is moving higher and higher, broke its prevous high of 4.84, sits around 5 near closing... Not sure when this pick up will fall out. Anyone?
  • zuluobb
    Covered at 10.60 Thanks for the heads up on this pig. Would not have found it.
  • zuluobb
    Tim, good trades so far. Short Plug 2.59 cover 2.41 short Mhgc 11.82 cover 10.70 Bought Erii 11.17 sold 12.55 bought Idae 2.28 sold 2.45. Reshorted Mhgc at 11.20. Money in the bank. Enjoyed the book and your no B.S. ATTITUDE.
  • jonescade
    shorted novn 11.27
  • chas
    check out TARR
  • Brent Lear
    ooops wrong day, sorry....
  • Brent Lear
    VVUS breaking out or DOWN?
  • VVUS breaking out here...
  • Dwess
    Im in qmnm too nick right at close..hoping for gap up in the am
  • Nick
    Your the man Tim!! Shorted GIGM at 13.27 and still holding because of the 3 trade rule..how do you feel about it going down more tomorrow?

    Also bought into QMNM extremely early and rode it all the way to the top but I couldn't sell like I was dying to do because of that stupid 3 trade rule. Hopefully that will gap up tomorrow morning so I can sell that scam
  • gburleson1
    Greeting from Baghdad! Glad I am amongst Great People in TimALerts. Tim Liberated those of us who really want to learn.
  • jonescade
    QMNM IS ON FIRE ON NEWS OF COAL PRODUCTION STARTUP
  • Getshorty
    Get sure to sign Tonny Ellis. we need him in here
  • soldtoyou
    Timmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
  • Getshorty
    vvus resistance is at 8.25, getting shy now, shortable if it hits 7.90
  • Getshorty
    NIcer in here... yeahhh.

    Don't stop nktr
  • dude75
    NKTR Thar' she blows!
  • VVUS looking to breakout again today... stuck at the top of a channel at $8.19, but once it breaks free, should be good for a quick .50 to 1.00. Worth keeping an eye on...
  • dude75
    Yeah, I should say thanks Tim, too. Best thing is I didn't use up another day trade...
  • bestdeception
    FWIW, made another $414 on ERII yesterday through today. Bought in AH yesterday for 11.29 and put a sell in for 12.15 this AM that triggered for a total of $430-$16 commiss. Thanks Tim.
  • dude75
    3.75 seems to be major support for NKTR. Just hoping it'll crack it so I don't have to spend another afternoon watching the afternoon fade that wasn't
  • jonescade
    it's running now and the lion is pumping the hell out of it and saying it's going to 4. that's why i suggested shorting in a couple days. if it does run to 4
  • PCola
    jonescade. I'm not an expert by any means, but it's already down almost 70% in a week, how much upside could be left in a short from here?
  • JeffMoates
    Still awaiting the awesome trade o' the day from good 'ol timmay...
  • jonescade
    just learning the short game. would someone look at dtg and tell me if it looks like a good short in a couple days due to runnup on possible consolidation news and longterm downtrending chart?
  • tradertomcat
    Are you gonna have a trading room cause that would be awesome ! daytradeteam.com does it an they use TOS. and show the trades in real time.

    thanks, You rule !
  • bestdeception
    Dito dude75. I've gotten another $321 on ERII so far today. Jumped in GIGM a little too early, but I'm about breakeven right now. Wish I would've gotten some ABK.
  • dude75
    Made $323.53 on ERII today. I figured what Tim said yesterday at his buy held true at the close ($1 of downside risk, $2 upside potential - this time proven, though) & bought in @ 11.15 with 500 shares. Sold on the way up. I don't figure I took much risk.
  • Oracle of NYC
    And GIGM starts to break down!
  • gozen
    WOW ABK is going up like mad, anyone else got in at open?
  • cogswell@hotmail.com
    testing
  • soldtoyou
    is this realtime, or do i have to keep refreshing?
  • beinggreat
    I'm in! Moneytime
  • JeffMoates
    Nice Tim. Let's make some money.
  • nigel4sher
    atta boy Tim. Good stuff, I like this.
blog comments powered by Disqus